Well this explains why I haven't been able to torrent for shit lately.

[nazlfrag]

Re: Well this explains why I haven't been able to torrent for shit lately.

They're just being cheapskate bastards. When most of Europe and Asia have 50mbps+ unlimited connections cheaply available it's easy to feel ripped off.

The whole problem is the broken ISP model which oversubscribes 95% of the bandwidth and then shits itself when more than 10% of customers try to access it. It's comcasts fault for being cheaparse in the first place, and having only a fraction of the real bandwidth that it was selling its customers.

There is a really simple solution. Change providers to someone decent.

This will not destroy the internet. If the absolute worse happens they can't differentiate encrypted traffic anyway. Just use encrypted bittorrent protocols. Heck, just changing ports from the default will probably beat their filtering.

[Feba]

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I'm sure they would refund my money,

That's exactly the thing here though-- not only is the restaurant not giving you a refund, they're still letting people in, and shouting at the top of their lungs how much food they've got.

[WishMaster3K]

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Funny thing about Oversubscribing. It doesn't exist.

Seriously. I know. I just blew your mind.

Oversubscribing is about as much of a problem as running out of porn on the internet. Or not seeing a cat on Saturday on 4chan.

Basically put, the idea of oversubscribing is that there are a bunch of other people on the line that was advertised to you, essentially not giving you the throughput you thought you'd receive.

And unless you had some Time Division Multiplexing speed algorithms running in synchronization at your PC and a PC in Nepal in perfect unison, you'd never know your true speed at all. Well maybe not that severe, but average consumer methods (Speakeasy, Speedtest, etc) are accuracte but have a margin of failure rate to a certain degree.

The point is, backbones are so cheap now that major providers don't need to oversubscribe.

It's just a lot of networks have Dark Fiber networks (meaning there's no light; meaning there's no god damned Data!!! /fume ).

But many are advancing due to the increase in demand for Vidoe on Demand such as YouTube, and the drastic growth of Microsoft's interest in DataCenters around the world. (I have to find the article.. but there was X amount of Data Centers built for digital distribution around 5 years ago, and now the rate is that same amount [x] of data centers being put up on a monthly basis.)

Anyone who doesn't want to believe that Microsoft is going to push this Digital Downloading of movies/TV/etc and that they're using the XB360 as the Trojan horse will be in for a rude awakening in a little over 3 technology generations..

What was the.. Oh yeah. Corporations are corrupt. I can't wait until Google sells out and we can't trust them anymore. It's become impossible to download music anymore without paying for it. What's the world coming to!!!

[nazlfrag]

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Thanks for the clarification Wishmaster. Oversubscribing happens here in Australia still quite a bit, I assumed this situation would be similar. My paranoid thought was they just want to kill the P2P traffic to clear way for video streaming, and don't want to end up in a mess line the BBC iPlayer. I just thought oversubscribing was more likely than this scenario, but it seems quite likely.

[Mhurron]

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Over subscription never was a problem on the backbone, it was local loop and last mile issues. Even then it wasn't always a limitation of the medium but the networking equipment that ISP's rolled out. It works because statistically the vast majority of your users never use anywhere near what the line provides so your heaviest users get what they expect and the rest get what they want because their e-mail arrives a little faster.

It's just a lot of networks have Dark Fiber networks

You know who owns most of that? It's not your ISP or for the most part the various Tier 1 and Tier 2 providers either. They're owned by private companies that don't provides services, the largest being Google. All that dark fiber people talk about was installed in much the same way land speculators in the 1800's bought up land hoping a Railway would go near there. It was installed by non-service providing companies in the hopes that because of the way residential and small commercial networks were growing they could rent out the bandwidth at exorbitant costs to service providers.

It didn't happen.

And few companies are willing or stupid enough to pay what the owners are asking so those fiber links remain dark. Even the ones Google has purchased remain dark.

[WishMaster3K]

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Pretty much what Mhurron is saying is, we're being charged out the ass for the THEORETICAL awesomeness of something.

[Omni]

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And again, if they cannot afford to provide a service, they should NOT say they can.
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so what, theyre supposed to just start denying new customers sign up? this isnt food and this isnt your mom and pop kind of service. this is a nationwide service. that makes no sense. dont even begin to tell me 'ya they shouldnt if they want to keep up the same quality of service' because that's the biggest load of bs you can splooge over this thread.

the fact is, as more ppl connect and as more ppl connect for longer at the same time, theyll need to scale up and up. simple as that.

akashimo: fiber is up to the gigabits in xfer rate. im not sure of the exact number but its up there. the datacenter im in has multiple lines of fiber trunked together to provide a fatter pipe. most networks after the pipe are gig networks but once it gets to us, its down to 10/100.

the tier 1 and 2 providers are the worst at jacking prices. they get hit with a lot of costs from their provider and so these private companies jack you real hard. you wouldnt believe the mark up even if you saw it laid out for you. its pretty sickening.

wishie: google IS becoming a big scary imo. they're buying up everything out there, they do want to be the next microsoft and be everywhere you are. so far they still have good public opinion but it can easily turn downhill. they have plans for everything...