Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona & Hawaii)

[eticket109]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

There has been legislation in Nevada to eliminate or ignore DST. Nothing ever happened with any of it though. There's a large movement in Alaska to eliminate it. There was a small movement in Colorado to try to implement it full time.

Don't even get me started on Indiana.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

could just be the hubris of the U.S to think we came up with everything.

The idea of "saving daylight" is usually attributed to the preeminent American of all Americans (no, not Jr.), Mr. Benjamin Franklin while living in Paris--who probably meant it as a joking observation on Parisians' propensity for night night time activities, I think. His idea is basically get up earlier and go to be earlier, in order to burn fewer candles.

So, daylight savings time is not just our fault; you can blame the French, too.

[Haggai]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

Along with DST, I think Time Zones in general are stupid. Get rid of them. Set everyone on a 24 hour clock and then you'll have no more trouble with being early, late, when changing zones. Granted, some parts of the world will be going to work 16:00 - 24:00, all during the day, but what does that matter, really? There would no longer be a need to say that something is on at 8pm/7pm central. Just plain 20:00.

It would be hard as hell to implement and many people would resist, but in the long run, it would be better.

People get in a groove and its hard for them to get out. That's why Americans still use English/Imperial measurements.

[Mhurron]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

Along with DST, I think Time Zones in general are stupid. Get rid of them. Set everyone on a 24 hour clock and then you'll have no more trouble with being early, late, when changing zones. Granted, some parts of the world will be going to work 16:00 - 24:00, all during the day, but what does that matter, really? There would no longer be a need to say that something is on at 8pm/7pm central. Just plain 20:00.

You obviously don't deal with people in other parts of the world.

Lets say someone really thinks this is a good idea and it happens. Now I'm on the east coast and need to call someone in our west coast office to find out what's going on there. It's 10:00 everywhere in the world. Are they at work? Are they even awake? Now I have to call a client in Japan; same questions, are they in their office?

I want to call some family in England, again are they awake, are they home?

The Earth is round, noon and midnight is a different time in different parts of the world. Until you flatten the earth, getting rid of timezones is the most retarded idea anyone has ever come up with.

[KamuroIshigami]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

Along with DST, I think Time Zones in general are stupid. Get rid of them. Set everyone on a 24 hour clock and then you'll have no more trouble with being early, late, when changing zones. Granted, some parts of the world will be going to work 16:00 - 24:00, all during the day, but what does that matter, really? There would no longer be a need to say that something is on at 8pm/7pm central. Just plain 20:00.

It would be hard as hell to implement and many people would resist, but in the long run, it would be better.

People get in a groove and its hard for them to get out. That's why Americans still use English/Imperial measurements.

Actually time zones make sense to keep day time the same for everyone, where noon is when the sun is highest for the day, and midnight as the middle of night. But DST doesn't make sense with the advent of electricity and it defeats the purpose of establishing time zones to keep noon as noon, midnight as midnight, and it just screws with everyone's schedule.

As for a Universal Coordinated Time (or Universal Time [Coordinated]), that is what Greenwich Mean Time, UTC, and Zulu time is for. Most computer systems define a specific time zone + or - the UTC/GMT. So there is a central time everyone follows. (And hence why GMT is included on the site clock.)

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona & Hawaii)

you can blame the French, too.

So there is a silver lining.

And I personally think that having to download a patch for this is ridiculous. But don't get me started on what I think about Microsoft and their conspiracies =o

[Mhurron]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona & Hawaii)

And I personally think that having to download a patch for this is ridiculous. But don't get me started on what I think about Microsoft and their conspiracies =o

You expected magic fairies to update your system?

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona & Hawaii)

Are you implying that they don't? =[

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Actually time zones make sense to keep day time the same for everyone, where noon is when the sun is highest for the day, and midnight as the middle of night.

To keep time the same for everyone, 15:00 should just be 15:00, whether I ask someone in California or New York or London. Time zone is stupid, IMO. I don't mind if noon is 01:00 for me or if the English has afternoon tea at 20:00. They are just numbers...

p.s. What is the significance of "12 o'clock midnight"? Or "12 o'clock noon", for that matter? It's not like 12 p.m. actually points to when the sun is the highest in the sky, and 12 a.m. isn't the exact middle of the night, either. They are arbitrary points in time, whose only significance is based on some archaic representation of time measurement ("clock face").

[Toksyuryel]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona & Hawaii)

I don't agree with getting rid of time zones, but I do agree with getting rid of DST and switching everyone off 12hr time and onto 24hr time.

[Mhurron]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

To keep time the same for everyone, 15:00 should just be 15:00, whether I ask someone in California or New York or London. Time zone is stupid, IMO. I don't mind if noon is 01:00 for me or if the English has afternoon tea at 20:00. They are just numbers...

No they're not. Knowing that it's 8pm in England lets you know a few things about what is going on. Most people will be home from work and most businesses are closed. having everything 3pm no matter if it's the middle of the afternoon or the middle of the night makes international business and personal relationships next to impossible.

Once again, some people actually have to deal with people in different parts of the world.

[Jarre]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

Out of all the things to change they should change to Metric instead of using English/Imperial measurements. Geez, even the English uses Metric.

Well msot people under 40 I still have to convert sizes to imperial for clients, thankfully archicad has a quick menu and global dimension type changer so ic an send clients imperial drawings but the local authorities and builders metric ones.

We still use Miles though and order timber from the merchants in imperial, i.e. a bit of 2 be 2 please.

[Omniblast]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

You obviously don't deal with people in other parts of the world.

Lets say someone really thinks this is a good idea and it happens. Now I'm on the east coast and need to call someone in our west coast office to find out what's going on there. It's 10:00 everywhere in the world. Are they at work? Are they even awake? Now I have to call a client in Japan; same questions, are they in their office?

I want to call some family in England, again are they awake, are they home?

The Earth is round, noon and midnight is a different time in different parts of the world. Until you flatten the earth, getting rid of timezones is the most retarded idea anyone has ever come up with.

If your on the east coast and it's 10:00 ONLY IN THE EAST COAST. NOT EVERYWHERE ELSE. You want West coast time, you subtract 3 hours. Same as usual. It'll always be 3 hours difference. The reason behind this is simply to remove the PM and AM and the location (pacific, central, mountain etc.)

If your calling your friend in england it's always 5 hours difference, so add 5 hours and you get 15:00. Calling in Japan, it's going to be 0:00.

It's just a different method of telling time, like how the GMT exists, it's the central hub of time, where day ends and day begins.

[Liquidedust]

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If your on the east coast and it's 10:00 ONLY IN THE EAST COAST. NOT EVERYWHERE ELSE. You want West coast time, you subtract 3 hours. Same as usual. It'll always be 3 hours difference. The reason behind this is simply to remove the PM and AM and the location (pacific, central, mountain etc.)

If your calling your friend in england it's always 5 hours difference, so add 5 hours and you get 15:00. Calling in Japan, it's going to be 0:00.

It's just a different method of telling time, like how the GMT exists, it's the central hub of time, where day ends and day begins.

Actually GMT is not where the day begins it is just the central node of time currently :D.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_line

[eticket109]

Re: Daylight Saving changes for United States users (except Arizona)

If your on the east coast and it's 10:00 ONLY IN THE EAST COAST. NOT EVERYWHERE ELSE. You want West coast time, you subtract 3 hours. Same as usual. It'll always be 3 hours difference. The reason behind this is simply to remove the PM and AM and the location (pacific, central, mountain etc.)
If your calling your friend in england it's always 5 hours difference, so add 5 hours and you get 15:00. Calling in Japan, it's going to be 0:00.
It's just a different method of telling time, like how the GMT exists, it's the central hub of time, where day ends and day begins.

I think you missed the point of Haggai's post. He was implying that it should be the same time everywhere across the world.