The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

[Taskmage]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Umm, unless the wording is just wrong, I'm pretty sure it's the buff duration that was increased, not the cooldown.

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Umm, unless the wording is just wrong, I'm pretty sure it's the buff duration that was increased, not the cooldown.

I must have read it wrong. Considering the ability has a 60 second cooldown and duration anyway, boosting it to 3 mins duration seems a little...redundant...I've yet to see testing to see if Divine Caress stacks with Batstatus Spells because Barstatus tends to be worthless (especially when WHM has near instant cast/recast -na spells anyway), so I'm not sure why the 3 minute duration is necessary.

Ah well, complaints about Bar-Status spells are still there.

[Takelli]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

mplaints about Bar-Status spells are still there.

They really should increase the chance of barspells to prevent a status effect upon a person, as well as the job traits of those. Not make the effects last shorter, but be able to have a chance to completely nullify them.

[Taskmage]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

They do increase the chance of a full resist, especially when paired with the bar-element that matches the status effect, but I do agree their performance is disappointing.

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

They do increase the chance of a full resist, especially when paired with the bar-element that matches the status effect, but I do agree their performance is disappointing.

Was that ever proven because I'm honestly not sure. IIRC, Bar-element is for damaging spells and the resistance is how much damage goes through (Half, Quarter, full, none) before MDB is applied though I could be wrong. I've never personally observed stacked Barspells effecting status effect resistances (which seems to come primarily from Job Traits).

One of the most annoying things about Bar-Status Spells is that nine times out of ten, the Bar-Element and Bar-Status spells you need don't match. Either that or it's a status effect that's trivial to fix with a -na spell spam like Poison, Virus or Sleep (well Cura in that case).

It's why Divine Caress is such a great JA because it gives a chance of an outright resist, which IIRC, Bar-Status spells don't do.

Still boosting the duration of the DC effect...It's a buff but not one that is needed. DC lasts for 60 seconds and can be made AoE by Divine Seal and Accession. Now It's 180 seconds and the JA is back up in 60 seconds...

It's odd because multiple uses of Divine Caress don't stack. If I AoE Cure Paralyze on my group and another WHM AoE cures Poison on the group, the latest status effect cure will overwrite it. I'm just confused as to what SE is trying to do...You can hardly make WHMs more accessible so my only guess is that the next wave of NMs are going to spam the shit out of status effects like there is no tomorrow.

[Taskmage]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

So far as I know, nobody has ever done a controlled test and collected data on it, but in my experience stacking barblizzard+barpara and baraero+barsilence leads to much more full resists whereas only one or the other hardly does anything.

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If DC does a good job of blocking the status effect, then that means now you'll only need to cure status 1/3 as often, right?

[Malacite]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

What I found irrating the other day, was in Attowha Chasm on my 90 WHM/SCH doing Pallid Percy.

Nearly 280 total MND, Baraera & Barsilencra on + Atma of the Cosmos (Major resist silence & amnesia) and the prick STILL manages to silence me...


The hell is the point of even trying SE? Oh yeah and I have 5/5 barspell merits...

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Are the full resists on jobs with the relevant Job Trait? I've seen plenty of Ninja resist Paralyze with Barblizzara only up which is why I'm honestly unsure.

And I can understand why collecting data for the "Double Stack Hypothesis" would be difficult...

WHM: Excuse me! But could you let that mob there continuously afflict you with [insert horrible status effect] while I spam barspells?
Poor Melee Sap: Why?
WHM: FOR SCIENCE!
Melee Guy: ...
WHM: That and I guess I could quote the Mythbusters guys...
Melee Guy: Will there be stuff blowing up?
WHM: Erm...sure...
Melee Guy: Awesome I'm in!

EDIT: Barspell Merits don't effect Bar-Status. Barspell Merits ONLY add MDB. 5/5 gives you +10 MDB which is the equivalent of macroing in a second Blessed Briault. Having 5/5 Barspells merits should have zero impact on Barstatus spells.

[Taskmage]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Are the full resists on jobs with the relevant Job Trait?

No, I have only seen resist petrify proc once in eight years as rdm main. I see it proc all the time for people subbing rdm, but never for me on main with theoretically twice as much of the trait. You can tell the difference between job trait procs and resistance procs, because full resists from traits start with "Resist!" and the others just say there was no effect.

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

No, I have only seen resist petrify proc once in eight years as rdm main. I see it proc all the time for people subbing rdm, but never for me on main with theoretically twice as much of the trait. You can tell the difference between job trait procs and resistance procs, because full resists from traits start with "Resist!" and the others just say there was no effect.

I suppose it's something that really needs testing. IIRC there IS a base chance to resist anyway. With Sttus effects resists are either full or none. With Elemental spells it's Full, Half, Quarter or None.

What also need to be filtered out are results that are caused by a mob failing to stick an Enfeebling Magic spell, rather than an outright resist. I'm fairly certain that "Resist!" is a full resist while "X has no effect on Y" is the mob failing to stick the Status Effect/Enfeeb

[Malacite]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

EDIT: Barspell Merits don't effect Bar-Status. Barspell Merits ONLY add MDB. 5/5 gives you +10 MDB which is the equivalent of macroing in a second Blessed Briault. Having 5/5 Barspells merits should have zero impact on Barstatus spells.

o rly?


Bar Spell Effect (Merit) - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

Description: Each level of this enhancement increases the potency of Bar spells and adds a Magic Defense Bonus of 2, to a maximum of +10 Magic Defense Bonus.

For someone who's a "career WHM" you sure seem to be prone towards putting that hoof in your mouth with regards to WHM lately.

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

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You do realise that things that the conversation is about Barstatus spells and how redundant they seem to be with Divine Caress right? Also please note that a very large part of this conversation was to determine what effect, if any, do Barspell merits have on Barstatus. As of today there is no evidence to suggest that it does or does not.

And also consider the timestamp of my post, I made it past midnight GMT so it's pretty obvious that I might make a mistake. Barspell merits add +2 to Elemental Resistance with a max of +10 at 5/5. Elemental Resistance affecting the chances for you to resist a status effect has never been tested, nevermind proven.

Please tell me you're aware that Barspell Macro Pieces ONLY effect Barelement too due to them only adding to the MDB given to them by merits. Cleric's Pantaloons are the sole exception since they ass flat resist but only to elemental attacks. Oh please tell me because I'll love it if I found that you macro in +MDB Barspell Gear for Barelement since 1) It only effects barelement Spells, 2) There's still no clear testing on if MDB from merits from stacking barspells stacks, or even if Barstatus spells gain any MDB from merits.

And please, please tell me you're aware of the fact that the wiki description is taken directly from FFXI''s description, a game notorious for having horribly translated and misleading descriptions for it's abilities.

For someone who claims to be able to read, you seem to have a track record of not reading posts properly.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

For someone who claims to be able to read, you seem to have a track record of not reading posts properly.

True story.

[Taskmage]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Since status resistance is a hidden stat, I don't understand how you can say with such certainty that this or that thing doesn't affect the strength of barstatus spells, especially when you're treating everyone else's years of experience with barspell behavior as unsubstantiated rumor.

[Firewind]

Re: The July Version Update Hath Come! (07/11/2011)

Actually most of my posts say it's not been proven either way which is a more tactful way of saying "I have no fucking idea of how barspells work and neither do you"