The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

[Neverslip]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

If anyone was interested in posting pictures of the AF3 with stats I'd be very grateful. I can't link to any of the sites that people lay down on here.

Incentive

Pretty please with sugar on top

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

I second that motion! Some of us are at work, working at 12:10pm in the afternoon! IT has us BLIZZOCKED.

............. and why we're surfing the forums.... I can't really say..... It's not like my clients can't wait a little while longer for results on some drug tests.....

[Mhurron]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

So, +Refresh Potency and a set bonus (come december) that enhances composure doesn't interest you in the least?

How much and how much? I only use composure when soloing or campaign and none of these pieces are stelar for that. Refresh potency might be something when you're sitting there doing nothing but Refresh, but even then you've moved the piece up to 'thats nice' from 'I don't care.'

I do not see what everyone is so gaga over the RDM AF3.

And it's ugly as shit.

[Cotners]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

Cool little addition made was upping everyones stats at 80+. My base INT on BLM went from 86 to 89 as an 80 BLM/RDM

[MrMageo]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

So, +Refresh Potency and a set bonus (come december) that enhances composure doesn't interest you in the least?

No it doesn't I have enough refresh in event situations, and solo. The only way the enhances composure effect would be anything to WOW me, is if it extended time on buffs cast on others. I personally don't need an extra 2 minutes on my buffs, it is redundant, especially considering I can get +3(4 if i use poison pots)(5 with mislestein) refresh from idle gear, in slots that will nulify the set bonus anyway.

So no the set is redundant, with the exception of +15 enhancing magic, and the marginally better nuking stats on the head body and legs. All of which are side grades, to my current gear. Hence, INV +1.

Now had SE made it so I could choose what stats I wanted on my gear, or made the items a little more useful (like AF1 head/body/legs, or AF2 Head/Body/Feet) Id probably bite. Hell I wouldn't even care if it was just a choice on mage stats and not melee stats, but the general use of most of this crap is no better than the items we already have set aside for situational situations.

It is not that great of gear, and it looks like dogs ASS. I mean compare the gear to WAR (which is a fulltime set) or DNC (a full time set) or THF (a full time set) or COR (a full time set). It is useless. It basically is a +1 version of crap we have had for months/years, and most likely requires many many hours of jumping through hoops.

As for people I may cast it on. Unless it is something incredible like +3 refresh/tick, I am not going to waste my time jumping through said hoops, just so I can cement myself further into a bitch role I don't even play anymore anyway. All jobs that want refresh can get it themselves. Hell I am the guy who used to take Yag Drinks I made to parties, and told people if they wanted refresh there was 40 in my bazaar at 1G each. I am not going to pander to the bitch mode, BLU can refresh themselves, a WHM can, a SCH can, a SMN can and a BLM can. The later 4 all have access to convert. My 40+ MP is going to be spent elsewhere from now on. Hell I might even make them cast refresh on me.

[ShepardG]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

No it doesn't I have enough refresh in event situations, and solo. The only way the enhances composure effect would be anything to WOW me, is if it extended time on buffs cast on others. I personally don't need an extra 2 minutes on my buffs, it is redundant, especially considering I can get +3(4 if i use poison pots)(5 with mislestein) refresh from idle gear, in slots that will nulify the set bonus anyway.

So no the set is redundant, with the exception of +15 enhancing magic, and the marginally better nuking stats on the head body and legs. All of which are side grades, to my current gear. Hence, INV +1.

Now had SE made it so I could choose what stats I wanted on my gear, or made the items a little more useful (like AF1 head/body/legs, or AF2 Head/Body/Feet) Id probably bite. Hell I wouldn't even care if it was just a choice on mage stats and not melee stats, but the general use of most of this crap is no better than the items we already have set aside for situational situations.

It is not that great of gear, and it looks like dogs ASS. I mean compare the gear to WAR (which is a fulltime set) or DNC (a full time set) or THF (a full time set) or COR (a full time set). It is useless. It basically is a +1 version of crap we have had for months/years, and most likely requires many many hours of jumping through hoops.

As for people I may cast it on. Unless it is something incredible like +3 refresh/tick, I am not going to waste my time jumping through said hoops, just so I can cement myself further into a bitch role I don't even play anymore anyway. All jobs that want refresh can get it themselves. Hell I am the guy who used to take Yag Drinks I made to parties, and told people if they wanted refresh there was 40 in my bazaar at 1G each. I am not going to pander to the bitch mode, BLU can refresh themselves, a WHM can, a SCH can, a SMN can and a BLM can. The later 4 all have access to convert. My 40+ MP is going to be spent elsewhere from now on. Hell I might even make them cast refresh on me.

I finished reading your little rant, but I really didn't want to after the statement about you having plenty of" refresh".

[Neverslip]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

(o.o)y

I would like to 3rd Neverslip's proposal...

>.>
<.<

[Raydeus]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

How much and how much? I only use composure when soloing or campaign and none of these pieces are stelar for that. Refresh potency might be something when you're sitting there doing nothing but Refresh, but even then you've moved the piece up to 'thats nice' from 'I don't care.'

I do not see what everyone is so gaga over the RDM AF3.

And it's ugly as shit.

Which reminds me. Mhurron let's duo DM and Scenarios when we hit 90. <_<

It's pretty obvious those pieces of gear + Suppa will probably be the last decent melee pieces I'll get for a while. Or more precisely 'till the servers go poof.

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Extra! Extra! Refresh II is supposed to be 6mp per tick (for a 300/900 total) and sold by our favorite Mithra in Ru'Lude gardens.

There's goes my only 150k gil. tohoho...



...what? <_<; It was news to me. XD

Also, any idea if Phalanx got enhanced by the new calculations for enhancing spells?

[MrMageo]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

It should everything else has. (can test it later I guess while I continue to farm those damn seals I should see a 29DMG reduction with the crap I have on me.) Which means if it does work as such that Phalanx 2 is going to be 100% trash even @ 5/5 and at that point you should just /SCH and AoE it if it is a must have

potential Max Skill

300base+16merit+15af1+15af2+7neck+5bk+3bdy+3ear = 364 (379 with AF3)

P1 = 364/10-2 = 34 (35 with AF3)
P2 = 364/25+(3x5*)+1 = 30 (31 with AF3)

* Assumed 5/5 Phalanx2 merits

Unless the formula is altered after 300 (which does not seem to be the case with enspells) it is a complete waste of merits. I am so glad I didn't bother with it in the first place.

Just for funzies new Enspell I cap is 23 which is a 3 point damage increase. Which means we can get to a total of 38DMG on an Esword, or 33DMG on a non Esword.

Alternatively @85 Natural skill will put EN2 at about 40DMG, moving up to 46 if you keep EN+ Gear on.




As for Refresh 2, looks like my hypothesis was correct, and anyone but PLD and DRK can now look after their own refreshes. On the bright side, Refresh II with convert = 900MP which is like having a second convert every 8:20. Should make solo work a lot less nail bitey in that second MP pool.

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also worth noting it now takes on 59 MND to cap SS as RDM with 364 Enhancing skill. (with 379 = 54)

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also should enspells carry on in such a fashion we can expect 1DMG every update (final total should have us @ 26 barring any other +ENH gear)

[Yellow Mage]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

Extra! Extra! Refresh II is supposed to be 6mp per tick (for a 300/900 total) and sold by our favorite Mithra in Ru'Luda gardens.

So . . . it's the exact same spell as Refresh, except double the effect. Well, that just makes it even worse than I feared it to be. Yay for Refresh whoring . . .

[Raydeus]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

Well, that just makes it even worse than I feared it to be. Yay for Refresh whoring . . .

I almost feel bad for RDMs who actually party with others. How sad.

Ok not really, I'm more like "Yay solo 6mp/tick, lolpartyplay!".

[Elwynn]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

Hell I am the guy who used to take Yag Drinks I made to parties, and told people if they wanted refresh there was 40 in my bazaar at 1G each.

Lawl.

[MrMageo]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

I finished reading your little rant, but I really didn't want to after the statement about you having plenty of" refresh".

6MP/tick from refresh 2, 5MP/tick from double ballad 1-3 MP/tic from cor roll, 3-4-5 MPtick from auto-refresh, For a big fat total of 15-18 refresh Add in a Diablos thats up to 18-23 (20-25 with evokers +SMN).

Hell alone I can get 9-11MP/tic.

But let me guess you still have super gimp abyssea where you have 1 healer per party. 1WHM + 1RDM + BRD + COR is all you need and they can buff everyone from the third party, add a SMN on chest duty using Odin, and a second WHM or RDM, and fill your pt's with DD+ BRD's or COR's.

Let me guess, you don't know any BRD's or COR's.....well sucks to be you. Not only that, when is the last time you had to rest for MP. Seriously.

On a brighter note.

5/5 motherf***ing crests. now i need 2 merits again cuz I spent all mine I earned in abyssea, with my 19/mp tick refresh.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

It's pretty obvious those pieces of gear + Suppa will probably be the last decent melee pieces I'll get for a while. Or more precisely 'till the servers go poof.

Just noticed this. While I'd normally be inclined to agree in sentiment, we did get a few nice things with the level cap increase to 80.

But, yeah, it's quite apparent that stuff like that is only going to make its rounds once per blue moon. And it does kinda suck that some of our best front line equipment we have to make ourselves. =/ (Moogle hat excluded, as that's easily one of the, if not the very best weaponskill hat for most people, if not everybody.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (09/08/2010)

It is not that great of gear, and it looks like dogs ASS. I mean compare the gear to WAR (which is a fulltime set) or DNC (a full time set) or THF (a full time set) or COR (a full time set). It is useless. It basically is a +1 version of crap we have had for months/years, and most likely requires many many hours of jumping through hoops.

On what planet, in what dimension or state of mind does anyone with any job in this game who also plays it seriously have a "full time set" at high level?

Only player I can think of that can do that is the one that isn't pulling their weight.

Every job I had at 75 was built for gear swaps and there is not one piece - not one - that was full time and not piece of gear ever changed that, but rather, just made me put more thought into my macros, gear swaps how they flowed and how I could cascade gear swaps for any situation without missing a beat.

And that included considering each and every subjob, too.