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  • #76
    Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

    You mean you want to wait until each and every expansion is completely done and over with before it is released, thereby leaving you with a year or two's wait before you can experience new content?

    Personally, I have no problem admitting that I definitely got my money's worth from WotG. The only disadvantage to WotG is that it means the next expansion (if there will even be a next expansion) is a long time off, but that has been somewhat alleviated by the mini-expansions along the way.

    Together, the 3 Abysseas will add up to the cost of about 1 expansions. They're glorified cragless versions of the old zones with mostly recycled mobs, plenty of NMs to camp to keep you busy for the next few months, and a new way to gain EXP that is a plus to leveling rate, but ultimately something that will fast become useless once you're capped on your jobs. The fast paced nature of Abyssea EXP (excuse me, good Abyssea EXP) only works you out of an event that much faster.

    Did you get any new jobs? Any engaging storyline? Something that you can just log on and do at your own leisure? How about paying 30 dollars to get only 3 new zones through WotG? Cause it looks like you're about to pay 30 dollars for 9 old zones, no new jobs, no long and involved missions, and something that you are locked out of if you don't have them Traverser Stones which only comes around about once a day for most people right now.

    I'll cut you off right now though: "Oh, but you don't know if they will add any unique zones in later Abyssea releases. For all you know, the storyline might get deeper. It has only just been released after all. Who knows? Maybe they will add more unique ways to get EXP that aren't just engaging the mob and killing it as fast as possible, and maybe they will make it so you get Traverser Stones every 5 hours in a future update."

    To which I will throw back at all of you: Speculation is speculation.
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    • #77
      Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

      Originally posted by Ketaru View Post
      the next expansion (if there will even be a next expansion) is a long time off, but that has been somewhat alleviated by the mini-expansions along the way.
      There will be no more Altana style expansion packs, I think.

      SE won't be able to convince the retailers to stock the PS2 versions. Even the PC and xBox360 retail boxes are probably already a hard sell for an expansion to such an old game.

      In the meanwhile, the $10 price point has proven to be very workable, and an "add-on" sized content is easier to plan for and create--and, most importantly for SE's PS2 customers--can be downloaded in a nearly reasonable amount of time. This is a working business model, and SE will stick to it for some time yet. The $30 expansion is gone.

      Not that SE is making a complete retreat from epic scale contents; we already know Abyssea series is a trilogy, and the storyline, while going with the overused/abused "alternate dimension" angle, may turn into something impressive. (All story telling are a form of re-telling, anyway.)
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      • #78
        Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

        Actually I would wager if there is a new XI expansion it will be out early next year. Lord knows SE has had more than enough time.

        There really is no excusing the wotg delays, this is bullshit and we all know it. There's nothing a whole hell of a lot we can do about it, but it is bullshit.

        But then that's the story of SE/XI's life - a love & hate relationship. Love the game and it's content to death, hate knuckle-dragging mouth breathers behind it (well some days anyway; other days we love them to death for things like Abyssea )
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        • #79
          Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

          Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
          What was the exact total DPS you managed, and what was the target? Or did you not use a parser?

          If you're not using a parser, let me warn you that eyeballing is extremely inaccurate.

          * * *

          People tend to see what they want to see instead of the reality; I've spotted people with less than 70% accuracy and suggested they may benefit from sushi, and only to be told that "Why? My accuracy is pretty good and I do more damage with meat."

          Most DDs tend to (vastly) overestimate their damage output while underestimating the amount of damage they took (by stunning margins).


          I don't have a parser but I tell you this, if my understanding of DPS is correct from reading what's on the site then I would suggest to stop playing with horrible DDs and play with someone who actually knows how to kill things...

          *EDIT* I main in DRG by the way meaning it's been my only 75 and now 80 job for the past 3 years so I'm definitely not one of your *elitists* with a ton of 75 or 80 jobs bc chances are, they probably don't care if they are amazing with the job or not.... that's what separates me with most if not a bunch of other ppl...
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          • #80
            Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

            Originally posted by Malacite View Post
            Actually I would wager if there is a new XI expansion it will be out early next year. Lord knows SE has had more than enough time.
            I doubt we'll see any addons/expansions from 11 after December. They've made it fairly clear they'll support 11 but as far as they're concerned the game has run its life. You just have to look at the lack of attention certain aspects of 11 have had recently to see we're on a significantly reduced team to previous years.

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            • #81
              Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

              Originally posted by Ziero View Post
              Enspell 2s, which are melee attacks that lower elemental resistances, Weaponskills that open level 3 SC while lowering magic evasion and Composure, which increases Accuracy and the durations of self buffs were SE's way of moving Rdm to the "front line". It allowed them to enfeeble through *melee attacks*. while sorta (but not really) lessening their buff cycles. How the hell was that not obviously them trying to deliver on what they said? Just because they weren't all that good at accomplishing what they said didn't mean they didn't try to deliver on what they said.
              Enspell II's which function just like ELEjitsu which no one cares about and has never cared about. I can't think of one exp mob, or endgame mob where people think, damn it would be nice to get a RDM or a NIN in here to put some Magic Resist down on this mob. Sure they tried, but they failed. They also tried to keep classes balanced and bring two handers onto a level playing feild with 1 handers, but they totally botched the shit out of that and now 2 handers smoke 1 handers. SE does not know what to do to a game, it is a very nice game but they don't know what makes it tick.

              Originally posted by Ziero View Post
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              It is still specultion, you can link a thousand more things, but it you are still speculating on what "they" mean. They said old weapons would be available for upgrade to, so far they have mythic and relic weapons that is all. What about my joyeuse that took a week of camping to get and a lucky claim to get. What about the enhancing sword that required me to fight a tough monster to get. What about all the other weapons people are attached to but find awesome. Is Hagun a shitty weapon that it can;t get upgraded. What about my elemental staves that I spent months HQing and have been using on several jobs since they were 51, oh wait there are upgrades for those, I just have to spend hours/days/weeks improving on staves I get for free from a moogle.

              You are speculating on it and that is that.

              ---------- Post added at 09:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:37 AM ----------

              I don't have a parser but I tell you this, if my understanding of DPS is correct from reading what's on the site then I would suggest to stop playing with horrible DDs and play with someone who actually knows how to kill things...

              *EDIT* I main in DRG by the way meaning it's been my only 75 and now 80 job for the past 3 years so I'm definitely not one of your *elitists* with a ton of 75 or 80 jobs bc chances are, they probably don't care if they are amazing with the job or not.... that's what separates me with most if not a bunch of other ppl...
              He isn't saying you don't know how to DD he is saying prove it. All the cool kids want proof nowadays. I have seen (and provided) parses of RDM in a DD set up where the RDM has dealt only 10% less damage than uber DD's people still think it is shit. But ive been playing RDM for nearly 8 years, so what do I know. Some people just can't get over themselves, and understand that if you go out and perform the same numerous times, you can safely assume that your damage is going to be the same, with or without a parse just from experiencing I can tell you if I am keeping up damage wise. But then again, most people are morons too.

              ---------- Post added at 09:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 AM ----------

              Hate to sound like the rambling guy. All you have to do is look at EVE online as far as expansions are concerned, they are 100% free, 100% downloaded and always always having stuff added on the end. As much as I hate how long WoTG has taken to finish, I think I just hate it more because It is so long to wait to see the end, hell I started the missions years ago, I don't even remember what happened in the first dozen or so, all I know was at the time they were almost as flavor filled as CoP was. Has it taken a stupid long amount of time, yes it has, but I think WoTG has been 100% worth it.

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              • #82
                Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
                There will be no more Altana style expansion packs, I think.

                SE won't be able to convince the retailers to stock the PS2 versions. Even the PC and xBox360 retail boxes are probably already a hard sell for an expansion to such an old game.

                In the meanwhile, the $10 price point has proven to be very workable, and an "add-on" sized content is easier to plan for and create--and, most importantly for SE's PS2 customers--can be downloaded in a nearly reasonable amount of time. This is a working business model, and SE will stick to it for some time yet. The $30 expansion is gone.
                You can't say any of this for certain. The move to add-ons means SE may just choose to release expansions via POL for FFXI. Unless you're still running on 56k (and by all rights you shouldn't be at this point) then distributing the expansion via digital download shouldn't be a tremendous problem for PS2 users.

                Originally posted by Malacite
                Actually I would wager if there is a new XI expansion it will be out early next year. Lord knows SE has had more than enough time.

                There really is no excusing the wotg delays, this is bullshit and we all know it. There's nothing a whole hell of a lot we can do about it, but it is bullshit.

                But then that's the story of SE/XI's life - a love & hate relationship. Love the game and it's content to death, hate knuckle-dragging mouth breathers behind it (well some days anyway; other days we love them to death for things like Abyssea )
                Gee, I don't know, maybe working on two MMOs at the same time might have been a factor in slowing progress down for FFXI. One team and two games that always will need adjustments and content updates that can go on for several years. Nah, that's not a burden. Employees are just robots, right?

                I'm really hoping FFXI gets handed off to a new team so the old team can work on FFXIV and put FFXI behind them. And the original add-ons have been, by my understanding, something handled by different people, mainly folks that originally worked on the original FFXI content that had moved on to other projects.

                And Malacite, you only love SE when they break things to your liking and hate them when the game actually has real balance to it.

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                • #83
                  Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                  Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                  Gee, I don't know, maybe working on two MMOs at the same time might have been a factor in slowing progress down for FFXI. One team and two games that always will need adjustments and content updates that can go on for several years. Nah, that's not a burden. Employees are just robots, right?
                  Given that each game is handled by totally separate teams and resources, yes. Don't take that BS smug tone with me. There was a transitional period so during that time yeah, that's a valid point but we have no idea when exactly that was or for how long.
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                  • #84
                    Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                    What about my elemental staves that I spent months HQing and have been using on several jobs since they were 51, oh wait there are upgrades for those, I just have to spend hours/days/weeks improving on staves I get for free from a moogle.

                    MAcc+1 MAB+4 (or vice versa) is an improvement on the hidden effect on ele staves? In what universe?

                    Given how tremendous a pain in the ass it would be to do a full trial series for every element you cared about (tacking on even more trials for every weapon as the level cap continues to rise), I'm pretty glad the stats on them are so failtastic, but aside from the cure potency form of Surya's or maybe the -perp cost forms for SMN, I think I'll pass.
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                    • #85
                      Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                      Originally posted by Karinya View Post
                      MAcc+1 MAB+4 (or vice versa) is an improvement on the hidden effect on ele staves? In what universe?
                      http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/gen...does-work.html

                      Long story short, add a 0 on to those numbers, and you'll be in the right neighborhood.
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                      • #86
                        Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                        that +4 translates into +20% MAB. Each point is roughly 5%.

                        For reference, NQ staves are +2/+2 and HQ are +3/+3
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                        • #87
                          Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                          Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                          You can't say any of this for certain.
                          Um, yes?
                          Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
                          There will be no more Altana style expansion packs, I think.
                          That means I was speculating.

                          Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                          The move to add-ons means SE may just choose to release expansions via POL for FFXI. Unless you're still running on 56k (and by all rights you shouldn't be at this point) then distributing the expansion via digital download shouldn't be a tremendous problem for PS2 users.
                          Well, the problems I meant to point out:

                          1. $10 is a proven price point for digital download of an expansion/add-on with limited amount of content, while $30 for a massive, nearly open-ended content is not. At this stage of the game, I think SE would be more interested in securing near-sure bets than risk a drawn out development schedule releasing an expansion product with high price of entry.

                          2. Download for PS2 takes longer--a lot longer. I know this because there's a PS2 downstairs and a PC upstairs.

                          Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                          I'm really hoping FFXI gets handed off to a new team so the old team can work on FFXIV and put FFXI behind them.
                          Producers and other high-ups aside, my understanding is that SE has been rotating devs from project to project every two years or so to make sure every dev has a wide skill set and experience.
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                          • #88
                            Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                            BBQ knows everything no point trying to discuss with it.

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                            • #89
                              Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                              Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
                              http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/gen...does-work.html

                              Long story short, add a 0 on to those numbers, and you'll be in the right neighborhood.
                              Hmm, interesting. Still, the time investment to get several of those things... yikes. I might get one or two of the most frequently used elements though. (Of course the ice one doesn't have +skill like aquilo's... but the acc version would help para2.) The wind acc version could be useful for grav kiting and sticking silence on whatever still isn't 100% immune. And of course the dark acc version for sleeping and dispelling dark resistant mobs...

                              I definitely have to salute the persistence of anyone who completed one of those things *before* knowing that the stats were better than they looked, though. Frickin' weather dependent trials.
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                              • #90
                                Re: New Version Update Announcement! (08/11/2010)

                                They're only likely to get even more powerful too (and more stressful to complete ><) but the difficulty of the tasks is gotta be the only thing that's keeping the prices on HQ staves from being dragged into the mud.

                                Even hagun has fallen below 400k now thanks to magian weapons.
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