The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

[Mhurron]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Not if you want to play with people that don't suck at everything.

Yes, you can. There are plenty of people, i.e *MOST* people in any MMO suck at everything they do. They hide behind good gear.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

And I'll tell you to fuck right off for a number of reasons:
1. Leading parties has been the most stressful and unrewarding endeavor I have undertaken in this game.
2. This isn't about what the community will allow, it's about what the game mechanics will now allow.

1. Your problem. I hate leading and find it stressful, too, but if I know I need to get something done or want to satisfy my needs, chances are I'll get it done faster if I leading the group and seek out like-minded people. Waiting for the world to come to you doesn't do a damn thing, you just end up subjecting yourself to the demands of others..

2. This is very much about what the community will allow. To think otherwise is to be in denial. When the cap goes to 99, do you seriously think anyone is going to give a shit that you hit 75 and would like to merit? Not a chance in hell. If SE doesn't address that, watch it happen.

3. It sounds like you're laboring under the misconception that I'm butthurt about not being able to melee.

Its hard to tell, RDMs are always butthurt about something, even after they're given things they've wanted. At least SMNs shut up for a while after they got Odin and Alexander, but weeks later after RDM got thier goodies they started crying because *surprise* it didn't rock the world enough to make parties change for them.

Community strikes again. And here you expect SE to fix it. Good luck with that.

[Elwynn]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

I've been trying to get the stupid Extra-Fine File for a Windurst quest off and on for a couple of weeks now and it simply would not drop. I even had a THF 75 with me for a couple of night cycles, and that didn't help. It is only known to drop off of three of the seven fomor in that part of the zone.

I finally finished the download this morning (it died while I was sleeping with 325 files still left), and as I was logging in, I re-checked the Lufaise page. Seems there is a new Fomor Warrior pop, it (and the others) was added as a separate line item, and I was sorting by level before checking. And since the new pop will probably not drop a file, maybe this is just as well.

So I just now gave him another slapdown just to prove that I could. Of course he didn't drop jack.

Now to get 15k xp so I can talk to the moogle already.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

shit [/I]that you hit 75 and would like to merit? Not a chance in hell. If SE doesn't address that, watch it happen.

What the hell are you smoking? This isn't a community issue at all. SE just took a groin shot at RDM tanks' hate building tools. If Red Mage no longer has the tools to build CE or spike VE then it cannot tank by virtue of not being able to hold hate. This is a mechanics issue, but apparently you're convinced it's the big bad playerbase and my refusal to lead exp parties that just axed RDM tanks in End Game.

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

All I want to know is, where the hell are my augmented weapon skills?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

The Black Magic Enfeeble nerf was completely uncalled for. If they had limited it to just the Sleep line I would've understood, but still . . .

Also, I stand by my previous statements that all of Red Mage's goodies are being held off until September. Barring the enmity nerf, Red Mages quite frankly need to be humbled. Else, how could you possibly justify giving us anything good?

[Shirai]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Why am I reading the same arguments I read a few years ago when mazurka enmity got nerved?

NEWSFLASH!
Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.

Aside from having lost the 'hate tools' Red mage can still do everything else it could before the update.
Don't like it? Plenty of other jobs to pick from.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Why am I reading the same arguments I read a few years ago when mazurka enmity got nerved?

NEWSFLASH!
Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.

Right, because there should only ever be one, two possible job combinations at the most that should be able to tank.

Screw innovation and trying something different, if you aren't conforming to the exact mold that S-E wants, then screw you, you can't tank!

Do note that this wasn't just a nerf for Red Mage tanks, but also PLD/RDMs, NIN/RDMs, NIN/DRKs . . . pretty much anybody that's not a PLD/WAR or a PLD/NIN. Such a variety of options available for us!

[Mhurron]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Why am I reading the same arguments I read a few years ago when mazurka enmity got nerved?

NEWSFLASH!
Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.

Aside from having lost the 'hate tools' Red mage can still do everything else it could before the update.
Don't like it? Plenty of other jobs to pick from.

Heaven forbid people try and do parties of less then 6 people, you know, the way SE had been trying to encourage people to do.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

NEWSFLASH!
Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.

NEWSFLASH!
Neither was Ninja--Oh wait, now they can't tank either, or DD, or heal, or support...Yeah reducing the number of already elusive tanks in the game is totally a good thing.

[Shirai]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Let me put it in another way:

If you leveled red mage for the sole purpose of tanking, you picked the wrong job to level.
All I'm reading here is butthurt about how SE broke the red mage job so I repeat:

Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.
Aside from having lost the 'hate tools' Red mage can still do everything else it could before the update.
Don't like it? Plenty of other jobs to pick from.

Red mage = not broken.

Now for a real personal opinion:
Hurray for the disappearance of another bandwagon job, I'm looking at you next Samurai!

[Truece]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Has anyone ventured into Abyssea yet? I'm dying to read of others' experiences there, but almost all of the good FFXI sites are blocked (for me, at work).

[BurningPanther]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

S-E seems not just intent on making PLD the best tanking option, but apparently the only option.


But Red Mage's hate tools weren't solely about tanking. Sometimes, it was simply about taking hate to cover someone else.

I've had occasions where our tank/s were preoccupied, and the WHM/BLM/somehow ailing DD were getting beat on by an add, and in I come to get the aggressor's attention, if not dispatch it myself. Not to mention the use of such spells in Campaign. After this update, I'm not sure if even that's possible anymore.

If ever the devs claimed to want to move the job to front line activity, castrating it's enmity tools certainly doesn't indicate such.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Let me put it in another way:

If you leveled red mage for the sole purpose of tanking, you picked the wrong job to level.
All I'm reading here is butthurt about how SE broke the red mage job so I repeat:

Red mage wasn't designed to be a tank job, you had your fun, now get over it and adapt.
Aside from having lost the 'hate tools' Red mage can still do everything else it could before the update.
Don't like it? Plenty of other jobs to pick from.

Red mage = not broken.

Now for a real personal opinion:
Hurray for the disappearance of another bandwagon job, I'm looking at you next Samurai!

That's the thing though, I didn't get a chance to have my fun.

I'll agree that losing bandwagon status would be a real plus. I've seen more idiot mages than I care to recall.

Also what BP said about controlling the flow of battle. It's not just about tanking, it's about being able to spit in a mob's eye and say "over here" for a few minutes while you let him wail on your scrawny Stoneskinned ass so the rest of the party can get back on its feet.

[Callisto]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

You guys do realize you can play an MMORPG without having to have the absolutely best of the best right

Late, but honestly, no I can't, it's against my character(as a person, not my FFXI character). That's exactly why I quit and why I likely won't be doing FFXIV. By nature I'm a pretty competitive person who is terrible at doing anything I do casually, but I at least recognize this about myself and am taking myself away from the opportunity to get caught up in that large of a timesink again.