The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

[Feba]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

You guys do realize you can play an MMORPG without having to have the absolutely best of the best right

[Aksannyi]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Not if you want to play with people that don't suck at everything.

[Elwynn]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Well, it's now time for the first of the "Gee, thanks a lot SE" QQ-ing.

My particular one is that they've apparently raised the level of stuff in Lufaise Meadows. In particular, all the Fomor are now listed as 79+. (presumably from dat mining) I don't see any change on the Phomiuna Aqueducts or Sacrarium pages yet, so no telling what they've done in there.

I've been trying to get the stupid Extra-Fine File for a Windurst quest off and on for a couple of weeks now and it simply would not drop. I even had a THF 75 with me for a couple of night cycles, and that didn't help. It is only known to drop off of three of the seven fomor in that part of the zone.

I had developed a routine with my BLM where I would nuke F.W., warp out, duck into my HP, then OP back in (with the free OP kupower). I could get four nukes on him per night, and other than gil, he only ever dropped one got damm Revival Tree Root.

Yeah, like people are going to want to exp on fucking FOMORS. Ones that are grouped in parties of three or four, no less. The only reason people have ever wanted to fight fomors is for panty raids. EDIT: And the storyline excuse for the level caps does NOT apply to Lufaise, dammit! Someone at SE may have just randomly picked them for an "adjustment".

At least the orcs are still at the same level, so it's no harder to clear the hate.

Maybe they didn't change his level and someone who was dat mining got confused with the fomors that pop up by Blueblade Fell. Or maybe SE just fucked up a Windurst quest by requiring you to kill a 75+ mob to get a rare drop for a 4000 gil quest. If my download ever finishes, I suppose I can just do a /check on him.

[Aksannyi]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

SE was lazy. All 6 are now 1CE/300VE

Happy Version Update guys lol

[ame=http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95012]RDM Tanking Post 6/21 - they all give 1CE/300VE now - Order of the Blue Gartr[/ame] (This post was on page 3)

~.~

And there are still people who like to suck the dicks of SE every turn?



And that sucks Elwynn, I remember how annoying that drop was to get.

[Elwynn]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

FYI, the CE/VE from Repose was not changed. So WHM can still get his face ripped off from trying to keep something slept. But in my experience, WHM is usually doing something solo or solo-ish when needing to drop sleeps, so emnity shouldn't matter much.

As for the BLM point of view, however, I'm feeling really awesome about the change. 1 CE = face won't get ripped off the instant the DDs finally get around to whatever you were sleeping.

/WHM says "See y'all RDMs at level 96!"

EDIT: download is failing on one file, and I think I may have seen that file mentioned on a 'zam thread. This is not cool. I've never had an update do that before, and it's done that a second time already, but at least the second time was fast.

[Feba]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Not if you want to play with people that don't suck at everything.

Oh, so it's just self inflicted pain. Gotcha.

[Malacite]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

GAH TITTY WANK!

Wasted all that time farming Rafflesia for NOTHING!


Turns out Masamune and the other Empyrean Weapons are the last trials on the +DMG weapons.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

RDM Tanking Post 6/21 - they all give 1CE/300VE now - Order of the Blue Gartr (This post was on page 3)

~.~

And there are still people who like to suck the dicks of SE every turn?

Aw fuck. I was looking forward to trying out RDM tanking some day.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Aw fuck. I was looking forward to trying out RDM tanking some day.

I agree with what most people in that thread are saying - any time a job gets close to what a PLD can do or do it better, it tends to get nerfed.

Not only that, PLD did get Phalanx. SE doesn't want PLD's spot taken.

Not by NIN
Not by BRD
Not by RDM

Any job that tries to replace PLD next will eventually be struck down, doesn't matter how fun it is to people or how helpful an endgame LS finds it.

Bad enough PLD got dicked for years on EXP and Merits because tanks weren't needed for them, worse is when the premier tank of the game loses its slot in endgame after fighting to get all those merits and EXP capped.

I mean, SE hasn't let PUP surpass MNK or COR surpass RNG in their fields. And why would they?

If RDM can do everyone's job, what's the point to the other 19? Fuck the "jack of all trades" bullshit.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

[insert bitter sarcasm here]

Tired, grumpy and utterly disillusioned right now. I'm fine with not being able to do everyone's job, but I'd like options beyond "do the white mage's job".

[Vyuru]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

BTW, I just realized that Blu has access to Battery Charge, which is a self target spell (for mobs anyways) and Diffusion! Diffusion makes self target spells AoE for those who didn't know. Merits can bring down the reuse timer on Diffusion to 10 minutes.

Now I'm just wondering how good Battery Charge is, and how long it lasts. Most likely it won't be worth putting full merits into Diffusion, but it is an interesting thought.

Really excited about some of the new spells for Blu. Some of the new gear looks interesting too.

Ah well, too many things to speculate on and it's gonna be a 9 hr download for me, and I have a job interview type thing tomorrow, so I think I'll wait a bit to go into some of the stuff I'm thinking about.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

[insert bitter sarcasm here]

Tired, grumpy and utterly disillusioned right now. I'm fine with not being able to do everyone's job, but I'd like options beyond "do the white mage's job".

And i'll tell you what I've told all RDMs, always.

Stop being a spineless and build you own parties. I don't care if you don't like to lead parties, but in games like this to get what you want you have to take initiative. You can play RDM as more than a glorified WHM, the problem is that you expect SE to fix the game so the community accepts what you want.

That is NEVER going to happen if you subject yourself to being led all the time, so stop being a follower.

The community will always favor what is safest, fastest and the most efficient means of doing something - they will not likely favor what is the most fun for you. Guess where that puts RDM? Healing, support,enfeebling and magic bursting. Deal with it.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

Well, so far I'm dissapointed in Fencer on WAR. I did not notice a difference while equipping a shield, so I took it off and just went strictly 1handed. The crit bonuses, sure, they kicked in pretty often; after I counted about 100 hits, I struck criticals 16 times; but this is eyeballing numbers. (Have 2% crit merits anyway,) but I can hit harder, faster going Two-Handed and /SAM and bust out my WS in the process.

My speed was 3.5 for one handed vs 3 for 2 handed (including just haste and haste gear,) 8 tp a hit. The TP bonus was no where to be seen after doing Rampage and getting 12TP back, so I have to assume its a damage modifer, yet again, my damage seemed slightly higher than normal, maybe by 30-40 points.

I figured using a shield would be cool cuz I grabbed a shield with attack on it. Nope, not that big a difference over /SAM.

I did not notice anything out of the ordinary on my WS either. I can usually crit Rampage at 100TP about a decent amount of ws of the time or so. DEX is at 117 during gear swap.

Oh well.... it was a nice try. Maybe Joyeuse 1handed would get more mileage out of this for PLD at 90. I'm going to assume it worked with a shield on, even though it didn't really seem to.

[MrMageo]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

The community will always favor what is safest, fastest and the most efficient means of doing something - they will not likely favor what is the most fun for you. Guess where that puts RDM? Healing, support,enfeebling and magic bursting. Deal with it.

Hate to burst your community bubble, but the majority are idiots. Id say a solid 30% of people still think haste samba reduces your TP/hit like delay reduction, we all know 90% of people are still of the opinion pup damage sucks, when they can out nuke BLM's and SCH's and out heal any healer, their RNG pet aint that bad either.

As for RDM melee, if you are not able to melee in parties that is your own fault, not the communities, yours. There is no reason why you should not be able to main heal and AUTO-ATTACK. Hell in meripos (well level 75 parties now) you should be meleeing all the time. Especially on anything that rhymes with lolibri.

Let me just give of a bad RDM from a recent part I had...............

We were fighting Crawlers in Subteranne as DRG/PLD/SAM/THF/WHM/RDM the RDM nor WHM couldnt keep haste on us all, the RDM barely kept refresh on the PLD and WHM. What pray tell had him so occupied, oh I do not know because he was not enfeebling, nuking or meleeing.

Now i knew this RDM from previous groups and chats and he always wished to melee or do something else other than cure bot, so when I made the party I brought a WHM along to give him the chance to do something else, he decided to do..nothing.

He did nothing with any consistency. This is a prime example of a time to not be a pink mage, did he use it? No, but he also didnt play as a RDM either. As a person who has long advocated RDM's to step up their game and stop just standng on the backline twidling their thumbs, I was livid, and berated him to the point where he left pissed off.

Moral of story, don't bitch about things, then pass up the opportunity to do them when it arises.

Also for the record the "best meripo" (or level 75 party) is

DD/SAM x2 COR/RNG, BRD/NIN, RDM/NIN, DNC/NIN (main healer).

It is the fastest EXP group attainable, but GL finding a RDM who can melee or 5 people who think haste samba is haste and not delay reduction.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Has Arrived! (06/21/2010)

And i'll tell you what I've told all RDMs, always.

Stop being a spineless and build you own parties. I don't care if you don't like to lead parties, but in games like this to get what you want you have to take initiative. You can play RDM as more than a glorified WHM, the problem is that you expect SE to fix the game so the community accepts what you want.

That is NEVER going to happen if you subject yourself to being led all the time, so stop being a follower.

The community will always favor what is safest, fastest and the most efficient means of doing something - they will not likely favor what is the most fun for you. Guess where that puts RDM? Healing, support,enfeebling and magic bursting. Deal with it.

And I'll tell you to fuck right off for a number of reasons:
1. Leading parties has been the most stressful and unrewarding endeavor I have undertaken in this game.
2. This isn't about what the community will allow, it's about what the game mechanics will now allow.
3. It sounds like you're laboring under the misconception that I'm butthurt about not being able to melee.