Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

[Laynton]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Naw that's exactly why your gonna get flamed. 90%+ accurate or bust! Though its unfair to say other jobs cant skillchain with themselves aside from war. I only picked them because their best spam move can SC with itself. Plus your example is 2 jobs working with each other to deal more damage then the one job on its own. and finally that whole thing is wrong. The final damage from the 2 jobs working together will be much higher since skillchains get stronger with more on the stack. WAY stronger.

1. i know im going to get a bit flamed on it a bit b/c of its inaccuracy but as i stated several time its and example not a fact.
2. *bold* thank you for proving my point.


@balfree thank you!! thats what ive been getting at this whole time!

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Well if a rdm subs sch right now they can hit the capped 50% reduction to spell cast time with the proper arts up I believe. So ya throw another fast cast on there!

AND LAYTON! Your point is moot because your QQing about 2 jobs working in tandum outdoing a single sam! Is this the true dark side of a sams mind? "They dare they join forces to out do me? ME!? GOD OF ALL THAT IS SKILLCHAINABLE! BRING ME MY SHIHEI! AND SOMETHING THICK AND JUICY TO NOM NOM ON!"

[Raydeus]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Y helo.

That is not RDM, that is COR.

RDM Fast Cast next tier, can haz?

They only commented on new traits, so I think there's a good chance we'll get Fast Cast IV this time around.

After all FCIII was 55.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

BRING ME MY SHIHEI!

*can't stop laughing*

[Laynton]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Well if a rdm subs sch right now they can hit the capped 50% reduction to spell cast time with the proper arts up I believe. So ya throw another fast cast on there!

I believe your correct. Except thats haste your talking about not FC. Haste on effect recast timer where FC effect cast speed. So we are far from the cap there.

Edit: not know exactly what cast speed caps at so dont know if we are that "far from the cap" or not

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Well naturally all 75 rdms have 20%/10% fast cast. proper arts gives a bonus and penalty to the respective school of arts by 10% so now there at 30%/20%. artifact hat another 10%/5%. (40%/25% if you cant keep up.) then the relic body caps the recast with 10% /5% (50%/30%). so now anything else is just lowering casting time.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Following your logic melee dont need haste gear cuz mages give them haste alrdy.

You seem to be getting overly defensive here considering all I was saying is Cors will be able to buff Rdm Fast Cast.

Granted that wasn't very clear.

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

And there's where you will be capping casting time.

[ChocoboBunny]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

All of these updates are cool, but I am curious as to what the new NINJITSU is going to do for Ninja. I mean no description was given as far as I read, and the last thing we need is a snk/invis all in one tool, so what could it be? Oh! Also for shame SE, another Steal ability for thf that adds status effects, I mean its nice, but hmm... how about allowing THFs to actually steal instead of miss miss miss, wait for recast just to miss again haha...

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

I have a question about the DNC's allow you to critical hit ability.

Does it mean dancing edge can now critical more? I never got to floor 100, but i have a feeling dncer going rock so much in XP pt very soon since most floor 100 dnc can solo darkness already by now.

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

dancing edge does not crit so no.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

That is why the abilitis reads

Climactic Flourish (DNC Lv.80 Ability Delay: 90 sec.)
Allows you to deal critical hits. Requires at least one finishing move.

I am sure it isn't a mini mighty strike, and from the looks of it, no duration mean this only affect 1 move.
Therefore, i am pretty sure it make dancing edge a "criticalable WS"

Then again eating that 1 finishing move might screw out the darkness combo.

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Oh sorry I was confused. Thought you were talking about something else entirely that I thought existed but was actually critical attack bonus. As for that move I would assume it would only make the first hit a critical so if it does work like that then yes, Because dancing edge can't crit without it being forced.

[MrMageo]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Do you really hate rdm or something? Its not like we RDM are asking for god-like powers. just wouldve liked to be included in the update a bit more. or at least told that more will come in later updates or hinted at it. We havent had a FC trait upgrade since 60 something (if i remember right) since we dont have one at 75.

No but we do have 10% that no other jobs can get 1 in our head the other on our body. We are also the only job in the game that can cap out recast timers with haste and fast cast.

RDM is one of the few "complete" jobs in XI, like monk, we only get a bone thrown at us now and then. We are a very strong job, capable of doing several jobs work without a subjob, and a subjob enhances and defines the abilities we choose to focus on.

RDM got a huge update for lvl 80 and future at lvl 90. We are the only true hybrid class in the game, in the sense we can fill any role to some degree of efficiency. Show me another job that can tank,nuke,heal,melee,buff,enfeeble based on what spells they choose to cast. As a universal class we choose specific subs to enhances or ability at doing certain things, such as /NIN for tanking, /BLM for enfeebles/CC, /whm for healing, /WAR,/DRK,/NIN,/BLU,/DNC for melee. RDM gets updated along with our subjobs, we do not need to see huge upgrades to the main because we do not need huge upgrades to the main.

RDM fast cast next tier would be nice, but since we are already 10% faster than we are at trait 3 look to level 85 or so for the next level. Of course if you dont have Dtab and Wchap then you are missing out, but if you dont have those after this long, how can you complain.

[KingOfZeal]

Re: Adjustments of the Job Persuasion! (06/17/2010)

Tactical Switch (PUP Lv.79 Ability Delay: 3 min.)
Swaps TP of master and automaton.

- The "Dual Wield" job trait will become available to dancers at level 20, with the degree of mastery increasing in stages thereafter.


Tactical Guard............MNK Lv.77............Grants bonus TP when guarding against an attack.
.............................PUP Lv.80


Stout Servant............BST Lv.78..............Reduces damage taken by pet.
............................PUP Lv.78

Resist Amnesia............BST Lv.15...................Gives you a slight resistance against amnesia.
..............................COR Lv.30
..............................PUP Lv.15

- Songs
Foe Requiem VII: BRD Lv.76
Army's Paeon VI: BRD Lv.78
Knight's Minne V: BRD Lv.80

No Bard abilities (and mostly useless songs) make me sad, but the PUP Resist Amnesia is AWESOME.

Also, the DNC duel-wield saves me from having to unlock NIN, which gives me a lot of .