The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

[Armando]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

As a source of damage alone, Joyeuse isn't too hot.

Joyeuse's DPS beats out any sword that isn't a Justice Sword or Excalibur (and most weapons for that matter.) And overall WS damage increases too because the DMG on it is not low enough to offset the vastly increased WS frequency.

It's not a matter of frequency for PLD - it's a matter of it being what does the most damage period. Attack frequency doesn't make much of a difference, the bottom line is always the DoT. This was true before Atonement, though Atonement obviously skewed things even more in its favor.

I agree that BRDs and DRGs should never lot Joytoy over PLD/COR/WAR/RDM though.

WAR? You could do better with other weapons.

I was under the impression Axe/Joy still works with the right merits (obviously need capped Axe/Sword merits rather than Great Axe, and more emphasis on Bergressor recasts instead of DA) and a Suppa.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Well, its hard to ignore that COR, RDM, WAR and DNC have secondary motive to using Joyeuse that PLD doesn't.

COR is using it to feed TP to the gun, if /DNC also to that at the expense of some damage the gun would have done more frequently. What the PT gets back outweights the loss.

RDM - Using it to feed TP to a dagger, then getting extra damage off first tier Enspells

WAR - feeding TP to axe. They could just as well wait for a Ridill, unless they have no endgame interest or another job that takes priority.

DNC, again, feeds TP. They're not the best with Joy, but it can't be argued from a TP stadpobnt that they only stand to benefit.

PLD certainly does benefit as well, but more from when they main hand with a melee build. Damage is a part of the pie for generating enmity, after all. Its kind of a waste if they're just going to turtle away with it, though.

Joyeuse means different things to these jobs. For me its just about getting TP to use elsewhere. It does damage, but its not the main attraction for my COR.

[pixiehawk]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Not necessarly. As i mentioned in a different area a while back, theres probably going to be a down side to haveing Favor up all the time.

I havent tested itbut i saw on Wiki that there BPs (and possibly atk) is lower with the abiliy up. It could be wrong since it's so early though.

No, update broke the Carby Mitts. My 23 (so no Favor for me yet) SMN got no benefit from wearing the mitts.

And I'm sure people thought of that while they were testing and tried it with the Favor up and down, give them some credit.

Hopefully that is one of the things being fixed right now.

[Romyro]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Wait wait wait, when you say broke carby mitts, do you mean the hidden effect is gone or that their useless now with Av. Favor?

[Ketaru]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

They play around with something that has largely been untouched like Avatar Perpetuation, it really should come as no surprise that funny things will go on like messing up long established gear affecting Perpetuation.

Funny thing, since the BST update. I haven't been able to buy any Homunculus jug pets on the AH for a long time. Suddenly, yesterday, there are 7 stacks of it on the AH. Refrained from buying though. It'll probably be the most expensive it ever will be now. Before people realize Homunculus is just a PvP pet...

[pixiehawk]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Wait wait wait, when you say broke carby mitts, do you mean the hidden effect is gone or that their useless now with Av. Favor?

Is gone I think I read somewhere it was any hidden or latent perp down thing, but I only have mitts to play/test with.

Like I said, it's probably one of the things they are fixing today.

[Romyro]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

well...they do still give 14mp. Thats like...almost 2 Cures. Surly thats worth risking your life getting to the temple, finding the offering and killing a NM Tonberry.

[pixiehawk]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

well...they do still give 14mp. Thats like...almost 2 Cures. Surly thats worth risking your life getting to the temple, finding the offering and killing a NM Tonberry.

lol

A cure and 3/4 of another? yeah, that was worth waiting in the hallway

[Romyro]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Just saw this

Hopefully this is another mistake, though it did dash some of my hopes for when I logged on to try out the update. ColdbloodComo does not have selectable Baleful Gaze. Here I was hoping players would now have a somewhat reliable way to inflict Petrify. And BST of all jobs

Horrible news ; ;. Did CBC have it in the first place though? I didn’t use him all that often. I know it worked with real lizards (as in not jugs). Anyone whip out Amigo? Any changes to 1000 needles?

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

I actually heard from people in LS chat last night something about BRD songs being broken. Someone said they were able to stack 12 songs on themselves at one time; though, I didn't follow the whole conversation through........ I was too busy starin in awe at my screen at my SMN never having to rest in XP party. It was just hillarious. Diabolos just rules. He's gonna be super fly when I get to 65 and have Nether Blast. Oh the mother FKN powa xD

I don't see why Square would do anything to Carby Mitts. Pre-55 characters will still need the great usefulness they can provide. And it's not like without Mitts you can't get a free carby anyway. People just tend to be hysterical.

I was looking for Mog Tablets last night in Eastern Altepa and ran across some NM Beetle I'd never seen before. Apparently it drops a Thunder Coral..... I suppose its one of those new NMs. The funny thing though was, it cast earth based magic. lol a fkn beetle.... cast Stone 3.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Carby Mitts was probably just them bungling the code for the new stance and how it interacts with other effects. Anyone who's ever done any coding knows exactly how that goes.

[pixiehawk]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Carby Mitts was probably just them bungling the code for the new stance and how it interacts with other effects. Anyone who's ever done any coding knows exactly how that goes.

23 nakked smn=3 mp per tick for carbie
23 carbie mitts only smn =3 mp per tick for carbie.

No other effects on, not FOV, not auto-refresh, not the new favor thing.

They broke the whole thing, not just the new favor thingee.

[Armando]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

He's saying it probably broke because of them having to mess with perp costs when they implemented Avatar's Favor, which is in all likelihood true. He's not saying it's only broken when Avatar's Favor is up.

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

What Armando said.

Again, anyone who has experience with programming knows how easy it is to screw up functionality when you're going back in to change something that was already working. It happens.

[Electricity Gone Human]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Carby mitts are fixed now.