The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Soboro is good for /DNC solo for SAM and Sidewinder spam as SAM/RNG.

I use joytoy on COR for slug Shot spam. Not to mention it is the only way for me to keep up with other melees or RNG on DPS. That and its fucking awesome for /DNC as well by default

As a source of damage alone, Joyeuse isn't too hot. When I'm using it to fuel other things, its great.

Even RDM is really just using Joytoy to fuel enspell damage. PLD for a constant source of enmity through damage. Not the best but it is cumalative with the other forms of enmity they generate.

Othe; jobs? Waste of a weapon BRDs don't DD for shit, DRGs specialize in lance (any DRG that calls dibs just because he can use it is a fucking moron) WAR? You could do better with other weapons.

[Lmnop]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

All of these "3 of a kind" gears (3 different names for the same stats/level/job per piece) seem... slightly incomplete. Like decent, but not awesome benefits. There are exceptions, like whm/smn refresh body and all the pld stuf, and maybe i'm missing stuff on the light DD sets, but most of it seems interesting but nothing groundbreaking.

I can see these being a) easier gear substitutes for the "high end" gear or b) something of a base product. I'm guessing the idea is that these things will have some method of customizing further. Not seeing an inscribable tag but perhaps they're basically "end game gear that can get synergized to awesome"? Maybe we'll get some item combination like we originally thought from the gear Screenshots? Like "choose 2 pieces you can equip and the benefits from the 2nd become augments of the 1st and the appearance changes accordingly"? I can dream.

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Soboro is good for /DNC solo for SAM and Sidewinder spam as SAM/RNG.

Aye. I believe the general consensus is that it's good for SAM DD, but it can't keep up with that Hagun. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised (I hope!) if other 70+ GKs outpace it in overall damage.

WAR? You could do better with other weapons.

With just about any 70+ great axe, probably.

[Feba]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Didn't some every other MMO make a way for these things to be packeted better?

Yes. It's called 'Not Being Run by Fucking Idiots'. POL updates could be handled in a number of better ways; spreading out the downloads more (offering updates a few days before maintenance), using torrent or other P2P technology, and things of that nature. FFXI is just behind the times.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Yes. It's called 'Not Being Run by Fucking Idiots'. POL updates could be handled in a number of better ways; spreading out the downloads more (offering updates a few days before maintenance), using torrent or other P2P technology, and things of that nature. FFXI is just behind the times.

Yeh, my friend was telling me the other day how surprised he was at how behind the times FFXI was. I coaxed him into playing with me on an account since its free for the first thirty days; so he made one.

He couldn't believe how much bullshyt it took just to set up an account. We were sitting on XBL and he kept cracking all these jokes about how POL kept asking for his cc info and reconfirming it and having to confirm all the expansions and then the enormous install/d/l time FFXI took..... he really poked fun of it greatly. I never took the time to think about it because I was always in such a fury to get online and "see what's up" but looking back, it really is rather embarrasing on Square's part. lol

Come on SE... reclaim your reputation of being one of the greatest MMO companies on the face of the planet with FFXIV. /sar

[cidbahamut]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Nevermind, I missed the sarcasm tag.

[Aksannyi]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

After a helix spell is cast on a target, a predetermined period of time must elapse before Modus Veritas can be used effectively. Furthermore, certain Notorious Monsters will now demonstrate resistance to the effects of Modus Veritas.

I FUCKING KNEW IT.

Spam filter seems pretty fail. Why didn't they disable tells for trials? I bet any amount of money the RMT will find their way around it.

I didn't read any of the rest of the thread, as I've been at work all day, but those are my thoughts.

[hexx]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Heh, I was expecting the MV nerf, it HAD to happen, as for RNG not getting reduced emnity, come on! Stop griping about it, you lay down the pwnage in damage with a Sidewinder, expect to get ass-raped by the mob for it. Quit your whining and move on. BST update is pure WIN, all the BST in my LS are jumping up and down with glee.

[Ketaru]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

The BST forum on Allakhazam arrived at the epiphany that they may have made much ado about nothing and that this update is actually quite good.

Shock and awe...

EDIT: This is different. Update at 50% and I haven't been given any reason to break down on the floor foaming at the mouth yet.

[hexx]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

The BST forum on Allakhazam arrived at the epiphany that they may have made much ado about nothing and that this update is actually quite good.

Shock and awe...

EDIT: This is different. Update at 50% and I haven't been given any reason to break down on the floor foaming at the mouth yet.

LOL @ BG seriously, they act like whiny bitches 90% of the time.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Avatar's Favor

• Channels the avatar's power towards a beneficial status effect for party members within range. Reduces perpetuation cost while active.Obtained: Summoner Level 55
• Recast Time: 0:05:00
• Duration: 2:00:00
• Avatar Perpetuation Cost -2 for the summoned avatar as long as the effect is active.

Ok, so it looks like with the right gear and buffs,at 74+ SMN can keep out Diabolos for free: (without RDM/BRD/COR)

Diabolos LV74 13/tick

-1r Auto Refresh
-3p Pluto's Staff
-2p Avatar's Favor
-1r Sanction/Sigil
-1p Austere Robe
-1p Evoker's Ring
-3r Diabolos Refresh Favor (after so many ticks, possibly 9)
-1p Conjurer's Ring (at <75% HP <100% TP)

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0/tick

If you own Penance Robe, then luckily you get Refresh 1mp/tick
If you own Nashira's Gloves & Penance Robe, that's another -1 APC, so you'd be at Refresh 2mp/tick.

I didn't count other gear like Assault/Beseiged stuff or Relic, but this is what I'm coming up with basic/expensive gear. The Bahamut's Staff is -3 APC, but you can get better access to +1 ele staves than that; Summoner's Doublet is -3 per Day of Element. I just bought a Conjurer's Ring for 50k on the AH in Gilg. Even though it normally sold for 10k, maybe it's a worthy investment.

Of course at earlier levels, you can reach things much sooner; I just used 74 as a basis of comparison.

Other Avatars would be at -3mp/tick, barring the Refresh Favor from Diabolos, except Fenny and Carby who are special cases. ;-)


Fenny at 73 can run at 1mp/tick; and Carby is Free if you have Carby Mitts (well known & documented of course):

Fenrir LV73 11mp/tick

-1r Auto Refresh
-3p Pluto's Staff
-2p Avatar's Favor
-1r Sanction/Sigil
-1p Austere Robe
-1p Evoker's Ring
-1p Conjurer's Ring (at <75% HP <100% TP)

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1mp/tick

Penance Robe 0mp/tick
Nashira's Gloves + Penance Robe Refresh 1mp/tick.



Carbuncle LV72 9mp/tick

-4p Carbuncle's Mitts (1/2 perp cost, round up to nearest interger)
-3p Apollo's Staff
-2p Avatar's Favor
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1mp/tick cap, then adding Refresh sources:
-1 Auto Refresh
-1 Vermy Cloak/Sanction/Sigil

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Refresh 1mp/tick


So looks like you wouldn't necessarily need most of your APC gear with Carby if you have Carby Mitts/Apollo's and can trade in things like a Vermy Cloak in place of Sanction/Sigil if you wish.

Let me know if I missed anything pertinent. This sure is exciting.

[Malacite]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Update fucking broke Carby Mitts.

[Karinya]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Emergency maintenance today. Nothing on the official site about what is being fixed, though.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Update fucking broke Carby Mitts.

And they're probably fixing it right now, among other things. When updates happen, something else always has to be tweaked.

[Ketaru]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Hopefully this is another mistake, though it did dash some of my hopes for when I logged on to try out the update. ColdbloodComo does not have selectable Baleful Gaze. Here I was hoping players would now have a somewhat reliable way to inflict Petrify. And BST of all jobs.

Even RDM is really just using Joytoy to fuel enspell damage. PLD for a constant source of enmity through damage. Not the best but it is cumalative with the other forms of enmity they generate.

Othe; jobs? Waste of a weapon BRDs don't DD for shit, DRGs specialize in lance (any DRG that calls dibs just because he can use it is a fucking moron) WAR? You could do better with other weapons.

A DRG I once knew did call dibs on Joyeuse. And he won it way back when. He has RDM now, but this is long before when he was only a DRG main. Even on RDM now, he doesn't care to melee anything. To my knowledge, he still doesn't have PLD, BRD, COR, or DNC.

PLD also uses Joyeuse for Atonement, which does not factor in weapon DMG rating.

[Romyro]

Re: The Version Update Is Here! (11/10/2009)

Update fucking broke Carby Mitts.

Not necessarly. As i mentioned in a different area a while back, theres probably going to be a down side to haveing Favor up all the time.

I havent tested itbut i saw on Wiki that there BPs (and possibly atk) is lower with the abiliy up. It could be wrong since it's so early though.