Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

[Lmnop]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Small thing... nit picky, really. I agree with your point but we dancers have casting times... Woe to the GODS, WE HAVE CASTING TIMES.... and they usually are what kills us.

No you don't.

DNC JAs have an extra bit of root time which seems to make equip swap/JA cheating not work (can't cure while running, for instance), but you don't have casting times (that extra half of the animation can even be interrupted by other JAs). I think you may be referring to recast times. In which case, yes, you have those. But so does everyone on all JAs. /point provoke; /point Jump, etc.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Yo BBQ, I herd you still didn't get it, so I reposted this comprehensive explanation so you can eat crow while you learn!

BBQ: what it boils down to

Suppose an imp uses just one weapon skill of its 2 potential moves. There is a 50% chance that what move it uses will screw over a DNC over and a 50% chance that it'll mess up a WHM (even though the latter is curable with echo drops and they shouldn't be in range).

Every job combination in the game either has a 50% chance of being royally fucked or a 100% chance of being hampered but still functional.

Except SMN who gets the same royal fuck treatment 100% of the time.

[Lmnop]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

YM beat meeeeeee

[Takelli]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Just like everything in this game, it's not meant for everyone to have everything. You don't have to fully merit each job. It's great if you do, but you can pick and choose the most important ones if you know you have limited time to merit and do whatever else it is that you choose to do. Same as you don't have to camp HNMs, do Dynamis, level every job, or finish all of the nation missions. I don't think anything is wrong with 10k, considering you can easily break 2 merits in an hour in just a standard pickup meripo, and 1.5 merits in an hour if you sync to 55 or 37 on birds.

Meriting is like making gil. It takes a lot of time, it often sucks, and it's work. That's just how this game is.

Yes, but it takes time to merit one job to have maxed out stats, or increase Hp or Mp, or Decresed/Increased Eminity. The things that are NEEDED take time to merit that your job needs that 75. And some people would like 2 75s so they aren't doing the samething every time they do end game. You spend what? 2 1/2 full weeks of pure game time to level a character to 75 if you do nonestop gridning. Thats about 1-3 months of NOTHING but grind to 75. Then you gotta grind out those Merits just so you can end game to actually start having fun in the game.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Most shells don't care what merits you have, or how far you merit them. Only high end HNM shells really give a rat's flying ass how merited you are.

[Takelli]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Most shells don't care what merits you have, or how far you merit them. Only high end HNM shells really give a rat's flying ass how merited you are.

Having Merits on your stats can help you while you are leveling. Every 10 levels above lvl 10 you gain 1 point of merit to the stat you have merited, and that can help you so much.

Whenever I logged onto my Sam, I was harped on to merit my sam fully and I was just in a dyna shell. They wanted me to merit fully, and get the best gear, and the best weapon and the best merits and blah blah blah. I actually quit at that point because I simply did not have the time to do Dyna and merit. As the only time I had to be online was the time we did Dyna, and eventually they pissed me off and I had quit as I wasn't able to do both.

I have come back as a Drk, and hoping that I do not need to merit, but I do need to merit so that I can actually not pull hate to myself if I manage to hit a high damaging WS. I want to be able to do endgame such as limbus and teh such, but I need to get 75 and merit my stats so that I can actually do all the missions/quests needed to get into it eventually. And its going to take more time thatn I actually have. I have played drk for almost 6 months now and I have yet to get a 75 job. I don't want to think about how long it will take me to finish up dnc and nin for the job. And to even unlock and lvl Sam to 37 let alone worry about the merits.

[Armando]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Just like everything in this game, it's not meant for everyone to have everything.

I understand what you're saying, but I find it ludicrous to see that argument extended to merits. Sure, most people don't care how merited you are, but fact is that a fully merited character beats a merited one assuming neither one is a retard, and it takes a disproportionate amount of time to get full merits. Endgame gear is a privilege and in many cases pure e-peenery, but EXP is not.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

But it's not XP, it's additional attributes, some of which really are not necessary to function in most events. You don't need capped Shellra V for most events. You don't need max weapon skill merits to hit mobs in dynamis. (Doesn't hurt, but you don't need it.)

If I were talking about gaining XP, I wouldn't disagree with you. But merits are not the same. It's another customizable, much like mission status and gear.

[Takelli]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

But it's not XP, it's additional attributes, some of which really are not necessary to function in most events. You don't need capped Shellra V for most events. You don't need max weapon skill merits to hit mobs in dynamis. (Doesn't hurt, but you don't need it.)

Having capped Shellra V is needed as most people don't like to wear + Magic resist gear incase they get hit by AoEs, most AoEs are actually unpredictable so you can't really stack + magic resists anyways.

Having maxed weapon skill merits increases your damage AND accuracy. Both of them are NEEDED for end game mobs so that you can hit harder and more precisely and kill the dang thing faster so that you can actually move onto the next guy and those extra few points of damage and extra acc points can make a HUGE difference with end game stuff.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Capped Shellra V is only necessary against mobs that do severe amounts of magic damage. Most mobs in the game don't even touch that. The point I am trying to make is that it is not necessary to cap your merits on every job, in fact, for some jobs it is a waste of merits.

The entire game is a timesink, why should meriting be any different? I don't know that many people who mind the 10k = 1 merit thing. In fact, this is the first I've heard of anyone disliking the amount of xp required to get one merit point. Sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining to me. I hated meriting too, but I needed to get it done so I basically just told myself to suck it up.

Same as I tell myself to suck it up during a long-ass Dynamis or when I was grinding my way through Salvage a zillion times.

[Armando]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

The point I am trying to make is that it is not necessary to cap your merits on every job, in fact, for some jobs it is a waste of merits.

Yes; but that's not what I take issue with. Just because you're not expected to have a certain amount of merits, it doesn't suddenly mean that it's a luxury. Endgame is one thing, but merit parties, provided you're not one of certain unfortunate jobs, are pretty accessible to the common player.

The entire game is a timesink, why should meriting be any different? I don't know that many people who mind the 10k = 1 merit thing. In fact, this is the first I've heard of anyone disliking the amount of xp required to get one merit point. Sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining to me. I hated meriting too, but I needed to get it done so I basically just told myself to suck it up.

Nobody likes a grind, and SE has been trying to move away from grinds so it's not like it would be completely unfathomable that they drop the merit requirement, not that I would ever expect that to happen. Anyways as I was saying it's not so much "Man this sucks" as it is "It sure would be nice if they stopped putting so much emphasis on grinding large amounts of time to achieve anything."

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

I just think it's entirely unnecessary to lower the required amount, honestly. After needing over 40k for a few levels to achieve a certain goal, it's kind of nice to only need 10k to feel like you accomplished something. Plus, it's an even number, and Aks loves even numbers. Which is why Aks never wanted to see another job added to the game, because 20 is a nice even number.

[hexx]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Having Merits on your stats can help you while you are leveling. Every 10 levels above lvl 10 you gain 1 point of merit to the stat you have merited, and that can help you so much.

Whenever I logged onto my Sam, I was harped on to merit my sam fully and I was just in a dyna shell. They wanted me to merit fully, and get the best gear, and the best weapon and the best merits and blah blah blah. I actually quit at that point because I simply did not have the time to do Dyna and merit. As the only time I had to be online was the time we did Dyna, and eventually they pissed me off and I had quit as I wasn't able to do both.

I have come back as a Drk, and hoping that I do not need to merit, but I do need to merit so that I can actually not pull hate to myself if I manage to hit a high damaging WS. I want to be able to do endgame such as limbus and teh such, but I need to get 75 and merit my stats so that I can actually do all the missions/quests needed to get into it eventually. And its going to take more time thatn I actually have. I have played drk for almost 6 months now and I have yet to get a 75 job. I don't want to think about how long it will take me to finish up dnc and nin for the job. And to even unlock and lvl Sam to 37 let alone worry about the merits.

I find the current amount of exp for a merit to be just fine. As far as meriting, keeping a buffer up, and doing endgame, tryin juggling 5 75's all the while keeping each one capped, while doing endgame that at any given time requires at least 3 of those 5 jobs to show up. When I used to do Dynamis, it was either my PLD, WAR, or SAM that was needed, for sure all three would see their fair share of deaths. Add on Nyzul to that, where my WAR, SAM, or BLU are needed, and having to keep up with buffers due to Nyzul's tendency to kick your teeth in at times. Now stack on Limbus as well where depending on the zone, I'm needed as SAM, NIN, BLU, or PLD. Thankfully, only 3 of my jobs see a lot of action, and the other 2 dont LOL. Now each of my main jobs (PLD, SAM, BLU) is fully merited as far as weapon merits, magic skill merits, and JA merits. In fact I JUST finished capping out blue magic skill two days ago and I hardly hit up merit PTs (mostly campaign and solo/duoing imps).

Honestly, its not all that difficult, but it is in fact one hell of a time sink. I mean I look at all those merits, and the exp gained is more than enough to have taken another job to 75! Being FULLY merited on any given job isnt a requirement, but it helps put out bigger numbers in most cases. And as Aksannyi said, not all meritable abilities require being maxed out, I mean, LOL @ maxing out Monster Correlation effects or Burst Affinity recasts on my BLU when Physical Potency and Chain Affinity are more useful.

[Malacite]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Nobody likes a grind, and SE has been trying to move away from grinds so it's not like it would be completely unfathomable that they drop the merit requirement, not that I would ever expect that to happen. Anyways as I was saying it's not so much "Man this sucks" as it is "It sure would be nice if they stopped putting so much emphasis on grinding large amounts of time to achieve anything."

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ this. I don't think anyone wants shit handed to them, but the less XI/XIV feels like a 2nd job and more like a game for fun, the better.

I don't have a problem grinding out merits to max out my job, provided it's a reasonable effort. Or am I the only one who finds it asinine that the EXP needed to fully merit 1 job could be put towards getting at least 2-3 more jobs to 75? That's a shitload of Colibri. Also sweet Mecha Sonic Avatar, I still have the comic that that pic is taken from :D

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

Meriting sucks but if you are going to participate in an endgame shell its a necessary evil. Just suck it up and do it. Endgame shells are a job. Don't let any shell tell you "Oh we are flexible." or "We put real life first." because 98% of the time its bullshit. And if you do find a shell thats in that 2% then you are not going to get much gear from it because they always reward the people who DO treat endgame like a job first. (For the sake of this discussion an endgame shell is one that participates in camping of Kings and other high end HNM's along with other more common events like Dynamis, Limbus, etc.)