Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

[Armando]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

Edit > Oh ya, btw why the hell didn't SE do that 3 years ago? They could've simply restrict it to carry armor and weapons only if they were worried about RMT using them to fish and stuff.

Gotta love their timing.

Yeah! Why didn't they update all the jobs 3 years ago too? And while we're at it, they should've added Field of Valors years ago as well.

I have to agree, their timing is awful.

[Illuen]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

God, this is an unpleasable fucking fanbase. If the security token came with something like a neck piece that cast stoneskin once per 12 hours, people would be bitching to hell and back that if they're going to give you something ingame, they should make it useful, and people are only buying the token because they're SE's whore.

Now, however, people get to be SE's whore because they're paying for the item and getting a "cheap piece of plastic".

Like I said when the security token came out, it was smart of them to attach an item of value to the token to entice those who wouldn't ordinarily care about the safety of their system into buying it, as did many other people. Now, quite a few of those people are bitching because ....... SE attached an item of value to the token to entice those who wouldn't ordinarily care about the safety of their system into buying it.

The real bonus isn't the 80 inventory spaces, it is having a safe and secure account. People just like to find excuses to bitch about every fucking little thing.

[Feba]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

God, this is an unpleasable fucking fanbase.

They all are.

Like I said [...] as did many other people. Now, quite a few of those people are bitching because [...]

There's a big difference between agreeing with the concept and agreeing with the execution.

For example, you say "We really ought to have harsh punishments to keep people from raping babies", sane persons are probably going to agree with you. When the punishment your legislative body gets back to you with is amputations, followed by forcing people to eat food prepared with their own flesh, they might not be quite so unanimous.

[Vyuru]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

I don't care that they added something of value to this, I am unhappy because the player base has been asking SE for years now for more inventory, either mog safe, gobbie bag, whatever. SE has always come back with the response that more room was not coming due to PS2 limitations, and now they throw this at us. It just feels completely contradictory to what they have been saying all this time.

I dunno, I'd probably feel the same way if for instance they gave Whm an A+ skill in swords and let them equip a Joyuse. Yeah, nice update, but after all this time of saying how Whm's have forsworn bladed weapons and blah blah blah, my reaction is still going to be WTF?

[LilithAngel]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

"tl; dr" needs to stop. It really, really does. Stupid, uninformed people running around like chickens with their heads cut off screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING" because they can't be bothered to read everything clearly get very little sympathy from me or anyone else. That being said, the following bit shows that SE knows what they're doing with the bonus:

The space provided by the “Mog Satchel” is equal to the character’s Gobbiebag capacity and can expand along with it. In order to utilize the bonus, it will be necessary for the customer’s PlayOnline ID to be linked to a Square Enix Account.

Can't just buy the thing, but you actually have to use it, too. It is also not horribly broken, nor uncompensatable, because this offer is open to every legitimate player around the world, and therefore, every legitimate player around the world can access this feature. If you refuse to buy it because of some useless "it's the principle of the matter" stance or ethical quandry, I don't care. I'll be enjoying my (even more) secure account, and 80 extra inventory spaces that my 7 jobs desperately need.

[Vyuru]

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I love your edits Lilith

[Feba]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

It is also not horribly broken, nor uncompensatable,

Yes, it is, unless you like the idea of opening the game up to paying for features. You can not work around the advantage this gives buyers within the rules of the game. That is uncompensatable.

This would be like giving more lines per macro... only available if you're using an nVidia graphics card. Or more slots in your delivery box... so long as you use logitech accessories. They're SE partners, and quite arguably the way the game is meant to be played. It's probably a good idea. And really, they're not that expensive. SE's not just undermining FFXI, either, they're undermining the security token. Will this increase distribution? Probably. But it also makes the token look like it isn't valuable in its own right, as well as making people who won't buy it because of DLC stigma. If the password is entirely replaced with the token number-- not just partially-- it also encourages people who wouldn't have otherwise bought it due to concerns about theft by people with physical access to buy it; potentially leading to worse security.

The fact that you say you 'desperately need' the space is itself proof that this is a huge destabilization of the game. If they wanted to make sure everyone had one, they could've tossed it in with an expansion-- obligated for new accounts, and anyone who uses the registration codes. You're not paying for a feature, and nearly everyone buys it. Doubling inventory space in a game where inventory is so limited that it adds to the difficulty is not a reasonable action. And for someone complaining about people not reading, you didn't seem to notice Raydeus' complaint of SE not shipping to Mexico. Now sure, FFXI would be better off without him, but there are plenty of players that this is not easily available for.

The security token is an extremely useful and great thing to implement. Doubling inventory space for buyers is a horrible idea.

[Satimasu]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

It is PS2 limitations. They simply were able to find a way around it like they said in interviews before. That's how we got Mog Lockers.

[Ellipses]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

The real bonus isn't the 80 inventory spaces, it is having a safe and secure account. People just like to find excuses to bitch about every fucking little thing.

This kind of thing comes up every time they do something like this. It sticks in my craw a little*. It's cool you see it that way. But if I buy a sampler platter, it's not up to the restaurant or anybody else whether I'm buying it for the burritos or the enchiladas, regardless of how they advertise it**.

What fills me with glee about this particular instance is that, for once, both sides of the equation are actually good. Neither of these things is a lame piece of crap with an awesome something else attached. Yeah, more people are going to buy it for the inventory space than the added security, but the added security is a much better bonus than some of the other stuff they've peddled. This is shrewd to the point of slimy and slimy to the point of shrewd, and that's beautiful.


*Emphasis on "a little." I ain't tryin' to start some big thing here.

**This is a silly analogy, as most restaurants where you could get such a sweet-ass deal would sell you either burritos or enchiladas on their own anyway, but for the purpose of this post we'll need to assume this is the only way you can get one or the other.

[sulci]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

Actually I predicted they would be charging something more expensive (around 15-25 dollars for it), without any bonus, so i'm suprised!!!

[Illuen]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

What fills me with glee about this particular instance is that, for once, both sides of the equation are actually good. Neither of these things is a lame piece of crap with an awesome something else attached. Yeah, more people are going to buy it for the inventory space than the added security, but the added security is a much better bonus than some of the other stuff they've peddled. This is shrewd to the point of slimy and slimy to the point of shrewd, and that's beautiful.

I'm right there with you (as someone who buys the sampler platters for the gigantic onion rings, and find the mozzarella sticks a nice added bonus). I wasn't trying to bag on people who buy it for the inventory space. People were expecting the kick ass onion rings to come with something crappy like crab dip, and get pissy when they see that I'm getting mozzarella sticks, they get mad because they find the deal unfair.

Really though, the SE markup that people always talk about on their prices isn't here. Most of these things I've seen run from 5-10 dollars, which isn't bad at all, especially considering the added security and the fact that you already pay 12 dollars a month, a one time payment of 10 dollars for the added security doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all.

[Durahansolo]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

A one time payment of 10 dollars for the added security doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all.

I don't think anybody has mentioned it, but also add in the cost of the one time cost of the DLC which alot of peeps will be getting as well so another $10 on top of that. Total cost for this month will be Monthly Fee + DLC + Security Token. So Mine will cost a total of $38 (5 mules included). The price to pay for epic updateness.....Priceless. *Goes back to doing the Robot.*

[Neverslip]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

First off, $10 is nothin... that's cool.

2nd - Extra inventory anywhere in the world ?!?!? Now that is EPIC !!!

3rd - Now, I've not had a security issue yet though I'm all for more security; yet, I'm curious how this additional step will affect logging in via my Xbox360. As a consumate D/C'er in Besieged , I foresee this as just another hurdle to get back to the fight. Hopefully before the end CS. Looks like there's a USB... will this take one of the 360's two front USB's? I already have my keyboard and controller plugged in (charging). Not only is the extra space a incentive to get the device; it's trading an inconvenient process for something that is very convenient (and needed) in-game. Fair trade imHo.

Since I just got FFxi for PC (but have yet to do the Monsta-install), I'm curious about loggin' into the same account via different hardware... I don't have the drive to duo box so I'm just curious in general about this.

And yes, I'm hoping the process for replacing this RL item is smoother than what I've heard people describe SE's typical customer service. My cat already has plans on which nook or cranny to hide this from me.

[Durahansolo]

Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

will this take one of the 360's two front USB's? I already have my keyboard and controller plugged in (charging).

Is your 360 sitting in a way that you can't access the back USB port? I only use my back one for the HD-DVD player. I think you might be able to use a USB hub and connect it to the front as well.

[Ziero]

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Re: Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

I don't care that they added something of value to this, I am unhappy because the player base has been asking SE for years now for more inventory, either mog safe, gobbie bag, whatever. SE has always come back with the response that more room was not coming due to PS2 limitations, and now they throw this at us. It just feels completely contradictory to what they have been saying all this time.

When exactly was the last time SE specifically mentioned "PS2 limitations" as a reason to not add inventory? From my understand, and they've been saying this for years, inventory works on an 80 space per block system and you can only have two blocks up at a time. So while they can't add more Inventory space directly, they can add other types of inventory to the game. Which is something they have done before. (read: Mog Lockers). It's not SE who keeps bringing up this "PS2 limitations" crap excuse, it's the PLAYERS.

It's especially funny because SE said not too long ago that they would be adding a new inventory type. But why bother actually basis arguments on actual information when it's just easier to shout "rabble rabble rabble!"

What fills me with glee about this particular instance is that, for once, both sides of the equation are actually good. Neither of these things is a lame piece of crap with an awesome something else attached. Yeah, more people are going to buy it for the inventory space than the added security, but the added security is a much better bonus than some of the other stuff they've peddled. This is shrewd to the point of slimy and slimy to the point of shrewd, and that's beautiful.

Iirc the only other times they sold a rl item with an ingame item was the Piano Collection with the harpsicord furniture (a good rl item with a good ig item) and the Tidal Talisman with the ig version (a crap rl item with a crap ig item). So it's not like this is something that happens all too often, and imo, going 2/3 ain't a bad record.

The fact that you say you 'desperately need' the space is itself proof that this is a huge destabilization of the game. If they wanted to make sure everyone had one, they could've tossed it in with an expansion-- obligated for new accounts, and anyone who uses the registration codes. You're not paying for a feature, and nearly everyone buys it. Doubling inventory space in a game where inventory is so limited that it adds to the difficulty is not a reasonable action. And for someone complaining about people not reading, you didn't seem to notice Raydeus' complaint of SE not shipping to Mexico. Now sure, FFXI would be better off without him, but there are plenty of players that this is not easily available for.

So instead of giving people an option to buy this item, you think everyone should be forced into buying it, even people who are just starting out? No one should be "obligated" to spend an extra 10 bucks for this thing, especially new players who might not even play long enough to need it. And if they threw this in with an expansion, you'd still be paying for the item AND the expansion, which btw would be just as availible to people like Raydeus as it is now. Meaning if he can't buy this item directly now, why would he be able to buy it directly with an expansion? It's not like you can pick them up in stores anymore seeing as they're moving away from hardcopy disc based expansions.

As much as I hate to admit it, this was a good move on SE's part. Many people would have just blown this item off, myself included, and willingly taken the risk of having a less secure account. Now that I know what the in-game item is, the 10 bucks for this item to secure my account isn't looking as worthless. People can still not buy this item, people have been getting by in this game for years with what we had. But it's a (real) nice, but not needed, bonus for getting additional security on your account, a win win situation for players and SE. And no one is "obligated" to spend anything because even if they don't buy this, and their accounts do get jacked, SE will still help them recover it.

So I'm going to side with SE on this one, dicks as they may be, and say this was a damned good idea.