News Flash: Three New Expansion Scenarios Announced at Vana'diel Festival 2008! (11/2

[BurningPanther]

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Erase, man. So unfortunately, most likely not.

Does "Esuna" literally translate to "Erase?" If so, then the devs are overdue to add Amnesia to the list of Erase's effects. If not, then there is room for the introduction of Esuna... or whatever you feel like calling it.

[Malacite]

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Does "Esuna" literally translate to "Erase?" If so, then the devs are overdue to add Amnesia to the list of Erase's effects. If not, then there is room for the introduction of Esuna... or whatever you feel like calling it.

No it's not.

In fact I'm fairly sure there's been at least a few FF's that had both Esuna and Erase.

Erase removes "magical" status effects, where as Esuna is your cure-everything spell (i.e. every ~na spell rolled into one)

But to the issue at hand with Smn. It isn't that they arent caring, they just can't find the reasonable balance from the images of the the console zomg pwned to the mmo world where everyone would be a bandwagon smn like sam, brd and war are today.

Yes I want smn fixed, but not where it'll be that smn is the only way to really do anything, which might be what we want could lead too

Could not agree more. Seriously, all I want is for SE to give us an actual benefit to keeping avatars out and having them melee rather than it being a liability like it is now. Putting aside my love for SMN's WTFPWN factor in the offline installments, it really does suck that for the most part SMN aren't invited to play with their summons. This is why I'm continuing to stay away from it, as I don't feel like playing WHM v.2 (we have SCH for that tyvm) for 69 levels. And even in the off parties where I did get invited as a DD/support, it just wasn't anywhere as effective as healing with /WHM was. If you're going to pidgeonhole SMN into a healing/support role SE, at least be courteous enough to allow SMN to do so primarily through spirits and avatars and actually put that summoning magic skill to use over /WHM.

SMN unfortunately falls into the same category as NIN and RDM (and more recently SCH I suppose) where giving it even the slightest edge could tip the balance of power completely on it's head.


Also, BRD is far from perfect > - > Pianissimo is a godsend to be sure, but as far as I'm concerned BRD is still broken singing the same 4 buff songs and eschewing all others. Actually, now that we have pianissimo how about changing etudes back to AoE?

[BurningPanther]

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Yeah, I know they don't mean the same thing. I was being unassuming about it.

[Yellow Mage]

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Erase removes "magical" status effects, where as Esuna is your cure-everything spell (i.e. every ~na spell rolled into one)

In FFII, I believed they were "Basuna" and "Esuna," respectively.

[Susurrus]

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One benefit of having blood pacts as JA:
In Beaduaux (sp? ) - Summon Leviathan, use mutes, get past afflictor, use Spring Water to unsilence you and anyone with you.

Sure, you could use echos, or you could be a cheap bastard.

[Balfree]

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I dont get hit with amnesia when i fight imps... i stay well away from them... why are summoners getting hit with amnesia?

"Oh but we need to buff the party... and for that we need to be close to the DDs..."

Well then, i guess you can wait for the imp to use its TP move before you run up to the group? o.O;

I'd welcome a way to counter amnesia but i dont feel like SMN needs special treatment in that department.

[BurningPanther]

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Speaking of counters, where's the Baramnesia spell?

Does S-E just feel that these aren't needed/deserved anymore?

[Balfree]

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Bar spells are for magical defense... it wouldn't fit too well with amnesia, if that even matters the littlest bit nowadays.

I wonder if SE could be adding something so that summoners can remove amnesia from others...

[Ziero]

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There are a lot more situations in the game besides Imps that can Amnesia a Smn. And when it happens a Smn is *completely* crippled far moreso then even Dnc or Cor ever could be. Though I will admit Dnc could use a fix for it too because it's close to being as bad as Smn.

But for Smn, getting hit with Amnesia while their avatar is out means they can do nothing but sit there and lose MP while they wait for it to wear off. At least Dnc doesn't lose anything when it get's Amnesia'd, it can still melee and gain TP.

[Kailea]

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funny how people dont think of the obvious....

Like any other party, when fighting imps, you should be prepared, bring an item that will remove that incase you get hit with it.

Now melee it would almost be pointless, because they get hit with it alot. but for mages that should not be that close to begin with, should have somthing.

and SMN does not need to get close -.- summon send it to melee, then as soon as it gets over there, use ability.

[Ziero]

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funny how people dont think of the obvious....

Like any other party, when fighting imps, you should be prepared, bring an item that will remove that incase you get hit with it.

Now melee it would almost be pointless, because they get hit with it alot. but for mages that should not be that close to begin with, should have somthing.

and SMN does not need to get close -.- summon send it to melee, then as soon as it gets over there, use ability.

Eco ring is a horrible fix to the problem. And again, many other things then Imps can Amnesia you. And there are also times where you're forced to fight in close range for missions/NMs/events and such.

[Malacite]

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and SMN does not need to get close -.- summon send it to melee, then as soon as it gets over there, use ability.

I'm pretty sure there's a max range for issuing pacts. The game nags you for being too far away.

[Ziero]

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There is, and it's within AoE range iirc.

My guess, Smns will auto-dismiss avatars (ala charm) when hit by Amnesia. So they're still screwed...just not as screwed as before.

[Darkhound]

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What I am truly hoping for is that we get new Avatars! It has been a very very long time

[Yellow Mage]

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What I am truly hoping for is that we get new Avatars! It has been a very very long time

A. Not nearly as long as the last pointless Red Mage update

B. And, yes, adding more Avatars to Summoners is quite pointless when that job has far bigger problems than mere lack of variety.

It's quite sad when you all can be quite satiated just by adding more of the same, thinking that it will magically make Summoner a better-designed job. "Moar avatarz" != fix overhauling Summoner needs.