News Flash: Three New Expansion Scenarios Announced at Vana'diel Festival 2008! (11/2

[BurningPanther]

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I have been playing since PC release, I sat down and though about my character before I made it, took me 3 days to think of name alone. I never once, nor will think to ever change my name or race. I light RP, dont do it all the time, but it is fun.

If I wanted to play WoW, I would be at the moment, but since that game is way to easy, I dont think so -.-

I mulled over my character four weeks before I got the game back in '03. Unfortunately, it was '03, and nobody really glommed on to the general irrelevance of racial stats. Add to that the general lack of knowledge and resources there were sparse, which brings us to the present: me playing Hume because it was deemed "best" for RDM... thinking to myself "well shit, if I'd know how silly that was, I mighta rolled something else."

Sometimes research will only take you so far.

Yes this is a stupid argument, because people ask for it every damn update, and it gets annoying. If SE ever allowed for name/race change for a fee, I would be very disappointed.

It got old when people repeatedly bitched for Selbina/Mhuara Moogles, but that didn't make the topic any less relevant. It got old hearing two-hand users bitch about the disparity between two-hand weapons and one-handers with Dual Wield, but that didn't make the topic less important. PLDs bitch about the superiority of blink tanking, should they have just shut up because people were tired of hearing about it?

Do you think every topic should go away because you hear about it often?

Changing Race would reaaaaally fuck with CoP/Zilart unless they come up with some kind of Divine BS where the Altana herself interferes with reality and changes history...

At no point during any of the stories-be they Zilart, CoP, ToAU, WotG, or National-does your race have any bearing on the progress or outcome. The closest you get is Swift belt runs, where a Taru might wanna ask his Galka buddy to pop the NM, since the Taru NM is a pain in the nuts. That's about it.

If we needed an explanation for everything, there should be a quest involving your character getting sucked into some parallel universe, every time you chose to change servers.

You talk about sharing this aesthetic with others, but you have no concept of aestetics to start with. You have no attachment to you character, just what your character has and has done. If being the race you chose means nothing to you, what is it going to mean to others? They'll know you don't care.

So it's not what I see, what I do, the time I put in, the accomplishments achieved with friends that matters, just the way the character looks and the stats given.

And here I was, valuing my time spent in the game like a sucker.

Tell you what, since the time you actually spend in game doing things is less important than the aesthetic, let's get rid of Greater Colibri. Lets get rid of Puks, Lets get rid of Imps. Let's drop the ideal exp rate back to 15k/hr. Lets do away with Campaign, Besieged, and exp rings. Un-nerf Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden, and no, still no secret strategy. Remove Nomad Moogles from Selbina and Mhaura, reset outpost Teleport levels back to the original limits. Wind back the updates on Conquest and Nation transfer, so you retain no Outpost progress. Rewind the drop rates in Northlands Dynamii. Reset the difficulty on CoP missions, including all the amenities amended.

Who cares, right? The time you spend achieving all these things is irrelevant in the face of the race you chose, so no one would have any problem going back to the old grind--the time invested is small potatoes compared to the way your character looks and the people that have to look at it.

If you have no ability to immerse yourself in the world in which you create your character, then you're better off not playing RPGs altogether. You don't have a care about the character, just what you're perceived as through it.

Weren't you just saying you don't take stock in the Role Play element? What's this then?

Why don't we completely immerse ourselves in the roleplay, not just half-ass it by pining on the racial aspect. Limit all job changes to once/month with fees. No--one job per character, period. You can really get absorbed in the role of a BLU, or a WHM, or a COR, when that's all you're going to play for the foreseeable future. Why not implement RP Serves(like WoW), if so much as your speech isn't in keeping with the role, you get booted by GMs.

You're talking about roleplay immersion, but the people interested in race change(for reasons other than optimization) can't properly immerse themselves because they don't like the race they are on. Their enjoyment is stifled by the inability to play the race they long for, the race they likely didn't pick up because of that archaic majority opinion on racial stats.

Much like the guy who levels RDM or BRD to 75 and then wishes he hadn't before long, they level the character and achieved much before realizing that it wasn't all that hot for them. But going back is ridiculous, because of the time invested.

I know this is just a game and all, but I can't help but find that a little sad.

And the extremist attitude?

"Make a new character if you wanna change your race, no exceptions."

"People wanting to change their race are betraying the RPG concept."

I find that no less sad.

Let's just make the whole thing a soulless venture.

Exp, job change, gearing, and NM affairs already are soulless ventures... wait, isn't that more than half the game already?

[Illuen]

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Shantotto!!!!

Tuxedos!!!!

Shantotto!!!!

As for the race change debate, I have flirted with the idea of changing my race. Not because I don't love my race (I do, and I've RPed my character in the past, and had a ton of fun doing it). Also, I don't want to do it because of the minor stat boosts that the race gives. My issue is that most clothing, which looks nice on larger bodies like Humes and Galkas is so squished on Tarutarus that most of the details are hard/impossible to make out, which has started to bug me 4+ years into the game.

Is it a stupid reason to want to change? Totally. Should I probably just install the unofficial windower and use plastic surgeon? Probably. Do I think that there should be a way for people to change their races that doesn't resort to using an illegal program? Absolutely.

.....SHANTOTTO!!!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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So it's not what I see, what I do, the time I put in, the accomplishments achieved with friends that matters, just the way the character looks and the stats given.

And here I was, valuing my time spent in the game like a sucker.

Tell you what, since the time you actually spend in game doing things is less important than the aesthetic, let's get rid of Greater Colibri. Lets get rid of Puks, Lets get rid of Imps. Let's drop the ideal exp rate back to 15k/hr. Lets do away with Campaign, Besieged, and exp rings. Un-nerf Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden, and no, still no secret strategy. Remove Nomad Moogles from Selbina and Mhaura, reset outpost Teleport levels back to the original limits. Wind back the updates on Conquest and Nation transfer, so you retain no Outpost progress. Rewind the drop rates in Northlands Dynamii. Reset the difficulty on CoP missions, including all the amenities amended.

Who cares, right? The time you spend achieving all these things is irrelevant in the face of the race you chose, so no one would have any problem going back to the old grind--the time invested is small potatoes compared to the way your character looks and the people that have to look at it.

You're just proving you no concept of what I'm saying. Not to mention getting wound up over wanting something completely needless to the game experience. Things like tweaking the Dynamis drop rate were a neccessity to including new armor in Dynamis - that has nothing to do with changing race or no impact remotely similar.

Since plenty of people in this game were willing to pay $1 extra dollar per month to start a new character and have since levelled it to 75 - why should you be the exception? How is your time more valuable?

There are a shitton of other things in this game that need addressing than your petty need to "look cool" to your peers in an online game. New stuff for RDM or silly race change - which is more important to you? C'mon, let's be honest here. If its really so important, I'm sure RDM can wait a bit longer for new spells, JAs or gear.

[BurningPanther]

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You're just proving you no concept of what I'm saying. Not to mention getting wound up over wanting something completely needless to the game experience. Things like tweaking the Dynamis drop rate were a neccessity to including new armor in Dynamis - that has nothing to do with changing race or no impact remotely similar.

And using the "time spent" bit has been used to justify RMT. In court. And it worked. So tread carefully before you start talking about "time spent" because that justification allows a lot of bad things. They weren't selling online currency, they were selling "time spent" working as a service.

Assuming every change made to the game has to be mechanically relevant is also a bad place to go as well. If everything were all about function, we wouldn't have more than "Tank," Healer," and "Damage Dealer" as available jobs. If function were all that mattered, there'd certainly never be a need for armor re-skins. you can get everywhere just fine by foot, chocobo and airship, what need is there for Outpost access? Aht Urgan is perfectly accessible by ferry, therefore there is no need for teleport NPCs. Server change sure as hell isn't necessary beyond the occasional congested server, should they never have bothered? Marriages are a frivolous venture that don't add anything to overarching game mechanics, should the devs have not bothered with that as well? Funny that you should deride me for lack of aethetic concept, only to turn around and dismiss it yourself.

And time spent is as valid a factor as anything else, a hell of a lot more valid than a simple aesthetic choice. The same argument for function could be taken the other way with time spent. You certainly wouldn't appreciate it if Outpost teleports, Aht Urgan NPCs, or Nomad Moogles were no longer there to help you maximize you time better, why are you downplaying it's value?

You're placing choice of model and resultant stats higher than the time and effort put into the character, and then go so far as to equate it to RMT. Changing race would at best, cost you money, at least in the real life sense. Race change would not aid in the botting of NMs, it would not aid in the manipulation of the Auction House market, changing race would not result in a spike in bought accounts/currency sold. However, the hard-ass stance on race-change now would certainly do a whole lot more to prompt account-buying or gilselling, since someone wanting to re-roll a Galka or Mithra would find buying someone else's account or gilbuying all their gear back to be an attractive option.

But then, you said I don't have any concept of what you're saying. Why don't you explain it further?

[Armando]

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BBQ, I think you're being a bit unfair. Of course BurningPanther isn't aesthetically attached to his character, he doesn't like what it looks like. Making a new character isn't going to suddenly redeem his old one either. I'm going to think Galka are ugly whether or not I start a secondary character and playing the secondary character would just make me hate having rolled Galka even more in the first place. And having to do everything over on the other character will make me hate the situation even more as well. You may be willing to put up with starting all over again but I'm sure as hell aren't starting over. If my character gets hijacked somehow you can bet your ass I'm quitting this game.

Try swapping your Tarutaru or Mithra with a Galka for a week and see how you like that.

Since plenty of people in this game were willing to pay $1 extra dollar per month to start a new character and have since levelled it to 75 - why should you be the exception? How is your time more valuable?

This is a pretty artificial argument. One could easily extend it to other things which reveals its true absurdity. "Since plenty of BSTs are willing to solo, why make them appealing to parties? Why is your EXP/hour more valuable?" or "If so many RDMs are willing to put up with how the job is now, why give them a melee update?"

[Balfree]

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Try swapping your Tarutaru or Mithra with a Galka for a week and see how you like that.

I did this for a while.

It wasn't comfortable so i changed back to my blonde hume... o.O

[Kailea]

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BBQ, I think you're being a bit unfair. Of course BurningPanther isn't aesthetically attached to his character, he doesn't like what it looks like. Making a new character isn't going to suddenly redeem his old one either. I'm going to think Galka are ugly whether or not I start a secondary character and playing the secondary character would just make me hate having rolled Galka even more in the first place. And having to do everything over on the other character will make me hate the situation even more as well. You may be willing to put up with starting all over again but I'm sure as hell aren't starting over. If my character gets hijacked somehow you can bet your ass I'm quitting this game.

Try swapping your Tarutaru or Mithra with a Galka for a week and see how you like that.This is a pretty artificial argument. One could easily extend it to other things which reveals it's true absurdity. "Since plenty of BSTs are willing to solo, why make them appealing to parties? Why is your EXP/hour more valuable?" or "If so many RDMs are willing to put up with how the job is now, why give them a melee update?"

If he created a Hume out of job preference (yes I know this was back at release) then that is problem to begin with -.-

There is already a workaround to getting your named changed anyway, if you REALLY want to do it ;p

[Yellow Mage]

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I could see problems with this whole race changing thing. I mean, for one, we all know how insignificant race is to your stats, but bet your bottom gil that every manaburner (and most dedicated mages to begin with) is going to go Tarutaru. Yeah, sure, forget the player skill that one Galka Mage you know tends to be renown for, yeah, he'd still be gimping himself if he can be a Tarutaru at a push of a button. (And don't try telling me that people are not that elitest! Have you considered the possibility that the only reason that "race doesn't matter" is not just because most of the stat changes are insignificant, but because the effort of bringing up a character of a different race is not worth what insignificant stat gains you'd be getting?)

Not to mention us Tarutaru being awesome to begin with doesn't exactly help matters with the racial distribution. <.<

[Armando]

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If he created a Hume out of job preference (yes I know this was back at release) then that is problem to begin with -.-

"If he dropped his Suppanomimi/<insert unreplaceable item here> that's his problem to begin with."

Yeah, because SE didn't fix that, right? There are arguments against race changing but that sure as hell isn't one of them.

I mean, for one, we all know how insignificant race is to your stats, but bet your bottom gil that every manaburner (and most dedicated mages to begin with) is going to go Tarutaru. Yeah, sure, forget the player skill that one Galka Mage you know tends to be renown for, yeah, he'd still be gimping himself if he can be a Tarutaru at a push of a button.

But not everyone has a single 75 job, not everyone is unhappy with their race and not everyone is willing to pay to change their race. I doubt there'd be some massive server-wide race shift any more than there was massive emigration when server transfers were implemented.

[Kailea]

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"If he dropped his Suppanomimi/<insert unreplaceable item here> that's his problem to begin with."

Yeah, because SE didn't fix that, right? There are arguments against race changing but that sure as hell isn't one of them.

There is a big difference in an item vanishing, and being able to change race -.-

[Sekighara]

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Well really considering how a person feels about their character is really up to the individual person. Looks to me doesn't really determine the player as much as the class they like to play does. Im a old school Drk/War to the core, always was and mosty likely always will be. I always like the class combo so In battle i feel uncomfortable as any other melee. Before I stopped playing the first time I had a blonde hume with the Zell haircut. When I started back up i chose the same one with brown hair with out even paying attention. I didn't even notice until a person I knew before i quit the first time met up with me randomly. He picked me out of the crowd because I was in drk af with a purple ribbon on which i usually wear besides mining gear when I have no intention on running anything constructive, and where i was sitting at. I usually sit in bastok and sell my crafts dirt cheap to newbies at the fountain, charity good to give back . So my persona as a player doesn't change but to some people I guess depending on what they know people seem them as they act differently. Me personally I really can't just point out that Galka is a female player, or that mithra is a guy reguardless of how they act so maybe thats why some people want to change? But if it is just for gear or to be a wee bit better in a class. I just don't see SE making it unless they are doing it because they just want to have something to do because they can't get the constructive update to work correctly.

[Malacite]

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At no point during any of the stories-be they Zilart, CoP, ToAU, WotG, or National-does your race have any bearing on the progress or outcome.

o rly?

[Armando]

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There is a big difference in an item vanishing, and being able to change race -.-

Not for the argument you were using, there's not. Both are "the player's fault to begin with."

o rly?

That hardly qualifies. Every race essentially has to do the same thing, and the outcome is the same.

[Callisto]

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Man, I just realized that all 4 of my jobs aren't really in dire need of an update from a gameplay/balance standpoint, so I don't really have a lot to bitch about, not sure what to discuss about this update.

Granted RDM still needs an update just to say they actually pay attention to RDM more than once every 5 years, but it's not like I have major complaints about the job aside from the typical "WHY IN THE FUCKING FUCK IS EVERY HNM IMMUNE TO ALL MY SPELLS WHEN I HAVE 337 SKILL". A melee boost would be nice just for farming purposes but I'm still pleased with Death Blossom, and if they add more gear to get without adding more inventory space imma asplode.

Really I'm stoked about the Jeuno -> Whitegate tele, Fields of Valor(Garrison v2.0?) doesn't affect me a ton since I will not likely even have time to do it(same with Moblin Maze Monkies or whatever). I really am only asking for one of the following: Instanced Dynamis, the ability to lfg on one job while playing on another, or more gobby bag/locker expansions/storage set options.

[Nuriko]

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Malacite, Promy 8-3 isn't really worth mentioning ... everybody needs to climb a tower, after all, though it's not the same one. If one race avoided climbing a tower, THAT would be worth mentioning, but as-is, the only practical consequence is that soloing this part tends to make more sense.