News Flash: Three New Expansion Scenarios Announced at Vana'diel Festival 2008! (11/2

[Firewind]

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You're all wrong. The New WHM JA will be something useless like Lowered emnity on the next spell. Extra points if it's on a 10 min recast.

If WHMs got the following:

AoE Devotion then RDMs, BRDs and CORs will throw a fit.
Divine Veil as a JA then DNCs and SCHs will boycott SE.
Divine Veil hitting people in the alliance then you WILL be the only healer in the entire alliance and SCh's /WHM's and /DNC's will be even MORE anal about removing their own status effects.

I'm excited about a WHM update as any other WHM but SE even admitted that they don't want WHM to be the primary healer in the game. Honestly I can't see the JA as being anything that will give WHM their main healer spot back any time soon.

[Armando]

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That's funny because SE had no qualms about giving SCH AoE Stoneskin when SMNs can already do that or AoE Phalanx when RDMs already have Phalanx II.

I would not rule out Divine Veil as a JA simply because of SCHs and DNCs.

[Aksannyi]

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If it's lowered emnity I'm going to bitch the fuck out of SE. That would be seriously retarded and everyone who plays the damn job knows it.

I might sound really bitchy or whatever, but seriously the devs don't know jackshit about their own game and it's irritating. They think we need all this crap that is worthless but they give it to us anyway, it's disheartening.

[Kailea]

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If it's lowered emnity I'm going to bitch the fuck out of SE. That would be seriously retarded and everyone who plays the damn job knows it.

I might sound really bitchy or whatever, but seriously the devs don't know jackshit about their own game and it's irritating. They think we need all this crap that is worthless but they give it to us anyway, it's disheartening.

Example:

WHM in PT needs to heal only living Melee, who is about to die, WHM knows if he uses Cure V he will gain to much hate, so WHM uses JA first then CV, and the mob stays on Melee, and they both survive......

yeah let me tell you, really worthless.


I thing deves understand their own damn game, and I find it funny you thing otherwise.

Just because you find it "worthless" does not mean the deves dont know what its supost to be for.



Seems people have finally started getting bored with bitching about things that are in the game, so we have started bitching about things that are not even confirmed yet........wonderful ;p

[Aksannyi]

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Cure V is almost zero emnity. If I pull hate with Cure V then the tank is doing something seriously, seriously wrong.

Cure IV is an entirely different animal but I understand how emnity works and how to/not to use Cures in certain situations so that the hate stays where it's supposed to. I realize some people are retarded, but that doesn't mean that the good WHMs who understand emnity wouldn't feel like this is a slap in the face to be given that kind of JA. I know for sure that I would. If I truly thought that a Cure IV would pull more hate then I'd use Cure V in spite of the higher MP cost.

If the melee is about to die I'm not going to waste an extra second using an emnity down JA, I'm going to fucking cure his ass. I would see a JA like that as a total waste. Please someone come in here and tell me I'm not the only one. And I would certainly hope that SE agrees with me, but knowing them this is the kind of crap I'm going to be stuck with and it'll piss me off.

Throw the WHMs a bone, yeah, but how about throwing us a useful bone. I stand by what I said. An emnity down JA would be useless to me and I wouldn't use it. That's not going to make shitty WHMs better, it's going to make WHMs cure bomb like tards without ever learning how hate works.

Tell me, do you want a WHM in your ls that knows how to keep people alive without pulling hate, or do you want a WHM that doesn't give a shit, and uses the highest cure they have thus causing completely avoidable deaths (especially in the case of AOEs being directed at the mages) including his own?

I think I know which one I want. Giving WHMs an emnity down JA of any sort would just breed more WHMs who don't know how to keep themselves on the proper side of the hate line.

[Firewind]

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Example:

WHM in PT needs to heal only living Melee, who is about to die, WHM knows if he uses Cure V he will gain to much hate, so WHM uses JA first then CV, and the mob stays on Melee, and they both survive......

Cure V gives the same emnity as Cure III which is nothing really. Besides if a WHM is going to risk taking hate they're idiots for not having S.Skin, Blink, Aquaveil and RR up.

In that case the melee gets a ton of HP back, WHM takes a few hits that are absorbed by Blink/S.Skin, melee gets hate back. Both win.

[TheGrandMom]

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Cure V is almost zero emnity. If I pull hate with Cure V then the tank is doing something seriously, seriously wrong.

Absolutely 100% correct. If I pull hate with a Cure V, the tank is gonna hear it. Most of the time I'm doing my job but he's obviously not doing his.

Cure IV is an entirely different animal but I understand how emnity works and how to/not to use Cures in certain situations so that the hate stays where it's supposed to. I realize some people are retarded, but that doesn't mean that the good WHMs who understand emnity wouldn't feel like this is a slap in the face to be given that kind of JA. I know for sure that I would. If I truly thought that a Cure IV would pull more hate then I'd use Cure V in spite of the higher MP cost.

I use my Cure IV more often than most whms. I have a buttload of -enmity gear that is macro'd in and it helps a shit ton! I still need to know when to use it and when to not use it just like I need to know if my tank is capable or not. Balance is a huge part of a whm's job and they should be fairly adept at it.

If the melee is about to die I'm not going to waste an extra second using an emnity down JA, I'm going to fucking cure his ass. I would see a JA like that as a total waste. Please someone come in here and tell me I'm not the only one. And I would certainly hope that SE agrees with me, but knowing them this is the kind of crap I'm going to be stuck with and it'll piss me off.

Nope, you're not the only one. Those emergency cures do not leave time for extra crap. I remember a smn friend of mine that was supposed to be picking up the curing when I was low/out of mp. I'm resting, the tank is losing hp, I remind him to cure (I think he thinks he's going to die if he has to do it), and he's in the process of changing gear.....using Divine Seal....and then curing. WRONG! Dead tank. That shit just doesn't fly when you need to be doing something and doing it NOW.

Throw the WHMs a bone, yeah, but how about throwing us a useful bone. I stand by what I said. An emnity down JA would be useless to me and I wouldn't use it. That's not going to make shitty WHMs better, it's going to make WHMs cure bomb like tards without ever learning how hate works.

While I'd like to see a ja that does emnity down but for a period of time and not one spell, I too think it would only teach whm's the wrong thing.

[Aksannyi]

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A great JA would be one that completely clears our emnity off the slate. Hi, I'm at Tiamat, I'm going to "Emnity Seal" myself and erase all the hate I've accumulated over the long fight.

This would especially be nice if the tank dies on something, I can erase all my hate so someone else (backup tank, most likely) can build up his hate without having to Cover me.

[Kailea]

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pardon me for saying CV should have said CIV....... lord it was just an example, heaven forbid if I am a bit off -.-


anyway my statement still stands that.....

I think deves understand their own damn game, and I find it funny you thing otherwise.

Just because you find it "worthless" does not mean the deves don't know what its suppose to be for.

Seems people have finally started getting bored with bitching about things that are in the game, so we have started bitching about things that are not even confirmed yet........wonderful ;p

taking extra time to use a ja or change gear before curing?..... its called a macro -.- it would take no time at all to change gear or use the JA, if you do it the right way, in a macro

[Malacite]

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I just want SE to let me control what ability the pet uses when we use Sic...

This.


Also here's a thought; how about making WHM's A+ healing magic skill matter worth a fuck beyond Cure V? Uncap cures already so that WHM's with all their ridiculous healing skill can use lower tier cures more effectively! Or at the least some WHM-only cure potency traits!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Divine Veil as a JA then DNCs and SCHs will boycott SE.

Dunno why DNCs would have any sort of issue with it.

And much to the chagrin of WHMs who thing Accession -na spells are a kick in the pants to Divine Veil, Accession -na is a tremendous waste of a strategem that could have been spent on Stoneskin. Phalanx or even used toward Raptured Cures.

Really, though, I don't see serious SCHs being bothered by WHM getting Divine Viel on a lowered timer, I see SCHs that don't see the job's potential beyond being a healer being bothered by it.

[Electricity Gone Human]

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Don't be depressed! This is woot indeed! The more White Mages take the healer position back from Red Mages, the more both sides are satisfied!

And here I was thinking WHM/SCH was enough. And I just speculated on a balanced formula for Enspell 2s as well! D:

[Nataka]

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I'd have to agree with Kuro's first post. Race change please! I wanna be a hume

I mean if the great npc mages of the three nations can alter the memories of the ENTIRE WORLD to make it seem like you were always a part of the nation you were switching to... THey can do it for race too!

[Yellow Mage]

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Race change please!

No, just . . . no.

[Kailea]

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I'd have to agree with Kuro's first post. Race change please! I wanna be a hume

I mean if the great npc mages of the three nations can alter the memories of the ENTIRE WORLD to make it seem like you were always a part of the nation you were switching to... THey can do it for race too!

no


why you should aways thing hard before making a character. If you want to be diffrent race, start over.