News Flash: Three New Expansion Scenarios Announced at Vana'diel Festival 2008! (11/2

[Malacite]

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If they're gonna do this for SMN, I'm wondering why they won't throw COR and DNC a bone on this as well. They're as much, if not more dependent on JAs than SMN is.

No shit. Though SMN is arguably more screwed than DNC or COR when it comes to amnesia. Still you raise a good point.

[Yellow Mage]

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If they're gonna do this for SMN, I'm wondering why they won't throw COR and DNC a bone on this as well. They're as much, if not more dependent on JAs than SMN is.

Because Corsair and Dancer are not Mages (you yourself shun the COR & DNC that go /WHM, but SMN/WHM is an acceptable combo, to illustrate my point). Meanwhile, Summoner is just about the only Mage job that is royally screwed by Amnesia (yeah, Scholars are kinda screwed, too, but not to the point of disability). Aside from the initial summon, the only "magical" things they do are all done through Job Abilities, including even dismissing the avatar (as someone earlier pointed out).

Saying CORs and DNCs are more dependant on JAs than SMN makes just as good an argument as "Samurai are arguably as dependent on their JAs as Summoners, ergo, they should get an Amnesia fix." Yeah, good luck with that.

[Armando]

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Saying CORs and DNCs are more dependant on JAs than SMN makes just as good an argument as "Samurai are arguably as dependent on their JAs as Summoners, ergo, they should get an Amnesia fix." Yeah, good luck with that.

Not really. Any DD with a SAM's gear access and A-ranked weapon skills contributes damage, Amnesia or not, especially if they have traits like Double Attack/Triple Attack/Martial Arts/Dual Wield to increase their damage without JA reliance.

A DNC that can't dance is about as useful as a WHM that can't cast, except you can get rid of the WHM's silence easily. I wouldn't think COR is as screwed since at the very least people will keep the buffs that were put up before Amnesia for a little while, and COR can shoot for decent damage. An autoattack DNC really leaves something to be desired though.

[Yellow Mage]

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Yeah, after posting that, I figured Samurai would have been a bad example.

Okay, how about if we replace "Samurai" with "Paladin?" <_< Or better yet, "Thief."

[Armando]

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Paladin doesn't really get shafted much. I tank with damage and MP, JAs are just icing and safety nets.

THF gets the shaft more than most pure DDs, but it doesn't really bring their contribution to the party to a screeching halt either. Aren't Imps weak to piercing?

[Callisto]

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Yes, but noone is pointing out the alternative of not doing Imps, lol. I did them as PLD since there was level sync to keep us at 70/71 for good XP, and like you said they aren't neccesarily debilitating for PLD, but on COR I said fuck Imps and took friends up to do Weapons in Sky until it was time for Greater Colibri.

[Yellow Mage]

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Waitwaitwaitamoment, you guys are making me forget my point! ><;

My point was, of course all of these jobs are screwed in some degree by Amnesia. CORs with Amnesia I have no sympathy for, as a well-prepared Corsair can pump out some more-than-decent numbers either way, as BBQ won't let us forget.

DNC, I can understand if they made their dances a special case, but at least they can still respectably Dagger things. But what do you expect a Summoner with Amnesia and caught with their Avatar out to do, start whacking things with its Staff?

[Callisto]

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Going to go with: Sucking it up and popping an Ecphoria Ring charge.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Right now the only solution to Amnesia for anybody is Ecphoria ring. And while COR and DNC may still get to hurt things a little, that's not the main reason we invite them, just as SMNs aren't just invited to main heal.

Because Corsair and Dancer are not Mages (you yourself shun the COR & DNC that go /WHM, but SMN/WHM is an acceptable combo, to illustrate my point)

What point?

SMN deals with JAs and MP, COR and DNC are support classes that use thier JA's for everything. COR/DNC is much more preferable to COR/WHM in a lot of situations, one Amnesia to that and you're powerless for at least a minute.

I "shun" COR/WHM not because I think it sucks, but most of its applications are limited to a handful of endgame situations and has no practicality in EXP post-30 and never has any in merits unless your party setup just outright sucks.

That and no one who goes COR/WHM really ever gears it worth a shit. They usually completely forsake the use of the gun, buy cheapass bullets that are just for show, don't make good use of their RSE for AGI and MP and don't gear well in general. They simply don't gear for COR/WHM. They just gear for the COR or the /WHM. If you want to cure people so badly, go be a WHM or RDM.

[BurningPanther]

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What I wanna know is, when is WHM gonna see an Amnesia-curing spell?

Recall's taken, I guess. Esuna, maybe?

[Yellow Mage]

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What point?

That all Amnesia does to Summoners is reveals them to be practically worthless squishy sacks of flesh? <_< They barely qualify as mages if the only actual magic they ever do are the initial summons.

A better analogy is this: Black Mages are glass cannons. Summoners are glass next to cannons.

I've been hoping for a Summoner overhaul for a while now, and for a much different reason than I want a Red Mage update. I want a RDM update because I like my job, and would like it if S-E just acknowledged our existence more than once every five years; I want a SMN overhaul because I genuinely feel that badly for the job.
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Esuna, maybe?

Erase, man. So unfortunately, most likely not.

[Mhurron]

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My point was, of course all of these jobs are screwed in some degree by Amnesia.

Yes, but noone is pointing out the alternative of not doing Imps, lol.

I fail to see the problem.

[Akashimo]

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Just jumping in to the hot water, but personally at this point in the game, while something shinny for rdm would be nice, it really isn't needed. Rdm is close to perfect as brd and sch are, only problem is how rdm is widely played and seen.

But to the issue at hand with Smn. It isn't that they arent caring, they just can't find the reasonable balance from the images of the the console zomg pwned to the mmo world where everyone would be a bandwagon smn like sam, brd and war are today.

Yes I want smn fixed, but not where it'll be that smn is the only way to really do anything, which might be what we want could lead too. Overall, I'd say a good smn fix to honestly say would make avatars to be targeted by pty/ally memebers abilities and spells other than just a being a coastly wyvern or too weak automation.

If avatars could play a more direct role of pty tactics, it would most likely be best if they can be where the Summoner themselves could do but fail at. Example, Summoning Garuda and party moves so that the mob's back to garuda, opening with a SATA ws, and pred claws with support buffs like regen and diamonhide, would make it worth the mp to keep them out. Of course, more jse and hp to that of a pld of the summoner's race would help. Also with an average defense and attack of the party members, thus indirectly buffed by the members, at the time of summoning.

[Yellow Mage]

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It's Summoner's design, Mhurron.

/cliffnotes

[Cotners]

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It's Summoner's design, Mhurron.

/cliffnotes

He was not saying nothing is wrong with amnesia and summoner. He was saying don't go to imps and you wont get hit with amnesia.