≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

More people can finish a 100 yard dash then a 24 mile marathon. They don't have to be in first place, but they can still finish the shorter race. Even if they ran at the same speed for both events, one is easier to finish then the other. Why?

And just how many more people can finish a 100 yard dash than a 24 mile marathon? I'm sure many people could finish a 24 mile marathon by walking most of it, taking breaks to sit and rest in the shade, etc. If people were allowed to take several days, I'm sure far more people could "complete" a 24 mile marathon than you give them credit for.

You can take 10 hours to finish a 100 yard dash if you wanted to. However, beating AV isn't like doing a 100 yard in 10 hours. Whether AV is suited to a sprint or to a marathon, either way, you have to excel in either format to beat AV.

So is it truly easier to excel in a sprinting event than it is to excel in a marathon? I seriously doubt any good sprinter or long distance jogger would be so quick to down play the difficulty of the other style of running.
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But that's the thing, JoL used to be one of the strongest things in game too. It shouldn't be a 15 minute fight. It removes what was once special about AV and PW and reduces them to just-another-NM. It's why Kirin is a joke now, because what once was an epic day long fight eventually boiled down to something that gets speed-farmed by half the endgame population.

Kirin is a joke now because he was beatable before players were super buffed by the current merit system.

[ShepardG]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

Not to stir the pot, but a marathon is 26.2 miles.

[Grizzlebeard]

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It's kind of tragic the amount of tears being spilled over a mob from a four year old expansion. Two subsequent expansions have been released in that time and the thing was still unbeatable. Whoever designed the original encounter failed miserably. Anyone with half a brain and a sadistic streak can design a ridiculously stupid hard mob that requires a set obscure pattern to defeat, the real trick is making it not only possible but engaging, challenging and rewarding. So what if it becomes another Kirin, there will be new content released in time that will require new strategies to be developed in order to defeat them.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

Kirin is a joke now because he was beatable before players were super buffed by the current merit system.

I've been at Kirin fights that last a minute and a half. Sounds like JOL might be on the same track now. /sigh And its sad because it used to be fun. It used to be to have a drop from one of these mobs was an accomplishment. Remember when doing Roc or Simurgh was OMGWOWZORZ? Now when people call them a HNM they get called a noob and told they don't know shit. It's no longer a challange and its no longer fun.

[eticket109]

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I think the comparisons are a little quick anyway. No one has gotten past 80% on the 'new' AV yet.

It's one thing to have secret food effects and latents on gear that we don't know about. It's another to wave it in our faces and tell us we aren't doing it right.

From start to finish they've handled the whole AV thing about as bass ackwards as they possibly could have.

[Lmnop]

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I won't deny that. As has been said in previous threads, putting a use to those fucking useless NPCs by giving us a clue would be an example of properly using resources. What they've done, instead, has left a mob unbeatable so they can lol to themselves and claim to the world that "we're the MMORPG that still has things the players can't beat".

Still, these changes are better than nothing. I'd rather be told I lose after 2 hours than let my slave-driving LS officers try to wear it down over the course of the day. Hopefully, as the content becomes a little more widespread, they'll up drop rates of t4s. Like uh... 100%.

And JoL/AV... sharing same time? Yeah, that's full of fail.

Spic fail

Freudian slip...

[Vyuru]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

And JoL/AV... sharing same time? Yeah, that's full of fail.

Unless there is something that you can do to JoL that affects how AV behaves or whatever.

Although I will point out that the FFXI Dev team's video of how to beat AV was how long? 8+ hours I think?

[Aksannyi]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

All I have to say is, wait and see. This could be something they are going to fix because its not supposed to be that way. Two hours from the time AV pops is more reasonable but not from when JOL pops. That just doesn't make any sense. (I still think 2 hours to depop is too short.)

They fixed the wording. The depop two hours after JoL spawn is correct.

Gay.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

They fixed the wording. The depop two hours after JoL spawn is correct.

Gay.

le sigh

[Yellow Mage]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

Although I will point out that the FFXI Dev team's video of how to beat AV was how long? 8+ hours I think?

Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

(And on a different note than the one I'm pondering, I still think that the playerbase is obscenely overpowered in the sense that BtL could even survive an 18-hour go with PW. If that doesn't beg an Utsusemi nerf or something of some sort I don't know what does. Owait, make the mobs weaker instead? Wooosh . . . Maybe not total woosh since they're on timers now, but, what, are you going to put everything on a timer now? Put Genbu on a timer merely to spite RDM/NINs that choose to whittle their time away on an eventual but inevitable defeat of said Genbu, rather than dealing with the job combination itself? I know I'm going to get loads of flack for bashing a fittingly popular "strategy," but I'm just saying, players, especially those with enough time, are just far too powerful.)

[Taskmage]

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Wasn't the original "big secret" about AV that his auto-regen would reduce if you killed as many of JoL's pets as possible? If they share the same timer, that would mean you can't use one of the tricks you're "supposed to" without handicapping yourself on time. The design is flawless.

[ZDST]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

On the subject of gear degrading, so far it hasn't been bad at all for me.

I took a Lv.73 PLD friend in adamant gear, a 48 RDM, a 41 WHM, a 37 DRG, a 47 DRG (me), and a LV.20 DRK.



And we plowed through those mobs for insane EXP.
We were killing wights like they were toughs at the most. In about an hour I got to LV.48 and forced myself to leave since I didn't wanna get too underskilled. (Plus I felt like I was cheating.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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18 hours woulda been the minimum for these two. Other people went againt PW for 20+ hours and didn't get half way through his forms. And people have gone 30 on AV apparently. As said before, this just made two of the hardest mobs in game and turned them into pretty much nothings.

Oh right, you're that guy that that didn't flinch at the 18 hours it took to beat it, you just wanted to know the "trick to it."

Yes, I think you're perfect to gauge the concept of difficulty.
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What about those ones Raydeus mentioned?

The Errant example I used shows it compeltely falls off the scale around 40, you only got +1 on the stat mods at 50, so it that's probably near where it actually starts scaling up.

As for Jesters Cape +1, The first thing that cape is probably going to lose would be the +1 when you level sync it, so that's +3 CHR chopped off right away, then you're going back over 20 levels with it to a level where CHR is one of the most useless stats in the game.

Going down 20 levels from 60 on AF cost me 13 of my 25 MND, going back 20+ levels with 7 CHR would most likely net you zero.

I knew Raydeus couldn't be happy with this system, though. He's always wanted to use high level gear in level capped zones, this update gave him that, they just chose to do it from a balanced perspective. Crazy, I know.

[Raydeus]

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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those voices again.

(Medication) (Do you need it?)


Anyway, you completely missed the point of my post, read again.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: ≪Sep. 9, 2008 (JST) Update Details≫

Anyway, you completely missed the point of my post, read again.

You claimed that the loss of stats was completely random, that was the point I focused on. Whatever you want the point to be now is actually beside the point.

You were wrong. The gear scales down just like its supposed to.

Myth Busted. The cake was not a lie. Go to Jail. Go directly to jail, do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.