September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

[Ameroth]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Seeking + dealing with people + 6+ hours of mashing my cure macro bores me. In Campaign I can get up and wander about when I'm bored. Having to deal with impatient people who hate waiting for mages to get MP is too much of a strain of my frayed nerves and patience.

Totally understandable. I don't know about you, but there's no way I'd ever stay in a party that bored me half to death for 6 hours. Usually, regardless of any job, 3 hours is my limit at the most. On my PLD, I generally find myself looking for a rep within an 1.5-2hrs.

[Lmnop]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Shit, I'd be lucky to last that long. No matter the job, as soon as the 6th person joins the party, I'm overcome with waves of exhaustion.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

I go more by exp, I like to get around 15k exp for the days I decide to exp. Now this could take an hour or 7 hours depending on the party. Of course, I'd never last for 7 hours...

[Aksannyi]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Of course, I'd never last for 7 hours...

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID!!!!

/caps

[Telera]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Yeah, I shoot for around 10-15k. Which I got today. Took a random invite and it actually worked to my favor this time around. But I was getting fidgety by the time I hit the 10k mark.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID!!!!

/caps

Ya, he's more of a 7 Minute Man.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Ya, he's more of a 7 Minute Man.

Twice with foreplay! Lucky lady.

[Feba]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

somebody remind me to check on the EP/DC upgrade when they implement it. This update is tempting. Still don't have the money, but tempting.

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID!!!!

/caps

It's just not the same.

[Celeal]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

When got bored party all the time, switch to solo for a few game session, or when got tired of solo, join parties. Plus the level-sync system, this coming update is for all win. { Goodbye LFG for hours }

[Ziero]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

While I'm probably not as enthusiastic about forcing players to earn solo exp as you are, I do still mostly agree with your notions. I hope they adjust the EP-DC exp for higher levels, like 60+. At 75, there's no reason some jobs should have to break a sweat fighting an EP for all of 22exp. So I welcome the exp change in that aspect. However, I hope they don't just break the EXP-curve and subsequent climb to the top by giving people more incentive to solo their exp than to group for it.

All in all, some jobs will still struggle through those fights with EP/DCs, and still only get a paltry amount of Exp for their troubles. As someone who's lvled both war and thf, I can assure you it is far easier to solo one of those jobs over the other. A fight with a DC goobbue at 70 on thf is nothing, I don't even have to pay attention and I know I'll win. But as war in that same fight, it's a struggle for life and limb as I'm riding recast times and hoping the mob doesn't double crit+WS (to be fair though, I still haven't lvled Dnc sub so I am sort of gimped). In the end, some jobs are just built better for soloing then others.

And while this change is all well and good, but 100 exp per kill on a 3-4 minute fight is nothing but a drop in the bucket when you have 30-40k tnls. This will have more of an impact pre 60 then anything else because as soon as you get past there Campaign become highly viable.

At the expense of any and all skill-ups you would receive in that 35 level time period. Campaign is for exp sustenance when party exping is impossible at the current time. SE never intended for CB to replace the normal exping process; simply enhance it.

It's a lot easier to grab a friend or two and skill up then it is to form an exp pt (at least for now) so lower skill from lvling on DCs/Campaign hasn't really been a problem. And jobs that only have one main weapon will have even less of an issue with that because it'll cap quickly and they won't be behind at all.

[Karinya]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

Just out of curiosity, if you haven't leveled dnc, what are you soloing with as war? /Blu?

[Vyuru]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

I'm more psyched about the EP/DC exp changes for the lower levels myself. Soloing stuff on Whm is horrible, or else I'm doing it wrong.

This'll be a plus for general farming as well, because I do like to farm some of the higher level monsters since they seem to have a better drop rate in some locations.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

I'm more psyched about the EP/DC exp changes for the lower levels myself. Soloing stuff on Whm is horrible, or else I'm doing it wrong.

This'll be a plus for general farming as well, because I do like to farm some of the higher level monsters since they seem to have a better drop rate in some locations.

No Vy, it's not just you, soloing on WHM blows chunks no matter what level

Yeah, Farming may get better too, I hopa hopa hope

[Lmnop]

Re: September Version Update Preview: Part Two (09/03/2008)

or else I'm doing it wrong.

You're doing it wrong.

What level are we talking, here? I'd say at basically any level, WHM solos better than a non-self-healing melee (this changed with the advent of dancer). But in particular, look at 20 and under. In those levels, get the highest damage HAMMERâ„¢ you can find, a shield, eat meat jerky, and go to town. It's as easy with a WHM as it is with a SAM or pretty much any job short of maybe SCH and SMN (And BLM has it pretty rough, too. Staves suck).

Sounds like Ziero's soloing as war/nin. While I agree with Ziero's point, I think it's been largely alleviated by the advent of DNC. I believe a THF/NIN may continue to perform better than a THF/DNC still (someone tell me -- I wouldn't know) due to their very high evasion making shadows more of a safety net than a requirement to not lose massive amounts of exp. Meanwhile, /dnc caters very well to Retaliation and 10-20% double attack. In my experiences soloing 2 DC raptors at once with a Dual Rapier, level 150 sword skill, and some crappy shield... I've found /dnc to be a pretty big band-aid.