Regarding Specific Notorious Monsters

[MrMageo]

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I remember when multi hour kirins were the norm, Airship was impossible, and CoP itself was a dreadful endeavour. Now kirin is a joke, Airship is still iffy, and rest of CoP could be beaten by a seeing eye dog if it had opposable thumbs. Granted SE did adjust things, however its because we changed our tactics. Hell my sky LS does 2-3 minute 6 man Byakkos, Ive been in shells that fight it for 30 minutes and fail. Ive seen LS's fight Genbu for over an hour and wipe.

Its really just a tactics thing, different tactics for different mobs, we do not have the knowledge as a player base on enemies such as AV or PW which is why they take so long. If we did have the knowledge and tactics we would probably see times drop quite alot.

I mean you don't TP burn everything and you don't MP burn everything, sometimes you need to even use SC's (omg they still exist) tactics is everything, and SE just crumbled, bad press and idiots = shit for everyone else.

[TheGrandMom]

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...sometimes you need to even use SC's (omg they still exist)...

This is an old wives tale! Don't believe it!

[Aksannyi]

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First, if it takes an ls over 2 hours to kill JOL, then they'll never have what it takes to kill AV. JOL is NOT that hard and should take an hour and a half to two hours TOPS. In all my time in sea, I've never seen a fight go longer than that.

Second, an hour and a half to kill a mob of this caliber is not that long so shortening it to 45 minutes is stupid. It will be a downright shame if they would dummy it down this much. Love Torque and Novio Earring are 2 very sweet pieces of equips and should have a challenging mob drop them. Farming for the pop set is a challenge and fighting the mob should be also.

My LS does take this long. We just don't have the manpower. We have an outside add party of BLMs, usally a tank party which consists of RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/BLM, WHM, WHM, BRD, and 1 full melee party (5 melee and one BRD), and maybe 2 or 3 people in the final party. So we definitely have to go through the process of breaking the Regen before we can even do jackshit to it. Some really good lses can just barrel through it, but not us. We don't have the manpower, gear, and merits, so we have to deal with that.

It's still an easy fight, but yeah, it takes a long-ass time. Then deal with certain melee (I'm looking at YOU, Kclub DRK) dying and being out of the game for 5 minutes, and of course when he pulls hate JoL uses Astral Flow and takes out half our alliance, yeah, we take fucking forever to kill it some nights. :/

I agree about AV though, but not a single person in our LS actually wants to touch it anyway.

[Lmnop]

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First, if it takes an ls over 2 hours to kill JOL, then they'll never have what it takes to kill AV. JOL is NOT that hard and should take an hour and a half to two hours TOPS. In all my time in sea, I've never seen a fight go longer than that.

Second, an hour and a half to kill a mob of this caliber is not that long so shortening it to 45 minutes is stupid. It will be a downright shame if they would dummy it down this much. Love Torque and Novio Earring are 2 very sweet pieces of equips and should have a challenging mob drop them. Farming for the pop set is a challenge and fighting the mob should be also.

I think you slightly misunderstood me. I wasn't saying lower it from 90 mins to 45 mins. I've only done JoL with my LS 2-3 times. But it actually took us under 45 minutes. 8x melee, 2x brd, 2x cor works wonders. I'm saying 45 mins is a good length to kill JoL and not be terribly pissed that it's adding kill time to AV (in the scheme of things. If you're after AV, J-Lo is just +1 hour or whatever).

[TheGrandMom]

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My LS does take this long. We just don't have the manpower. We have an outside add party of BLMs, usally a tank party which consists of RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/BLM, WHM, WHM, BRD, and 1 full melee party (5 melee and one BRD), and maybe 2 or 3 people in the final party. So we definitely have to go through the process of breaking the Regen before we can even do jackshit to it. Some really good lses can just barrel through it, but not us. We don't have the manpower, gear, and merits, so we have to deal with that.

(FYI the following is not meant in a mean way.) Sorry to hear that Aks. I guess I've been blessed and always had the best of luck when I did it. We usually take about the same set up but it never takes more than an hour to a hour and a half.

I think you slightly misunderstood me. I wasn't saying lower it from 90 mins to 45 mins. I've only done JoL with my LS 2-3 times. But it actually took us under 45 minutes. 8x melee, 2x brd, 2x cor works wonders. I'm saying 45 mins is a good length to kill JoL and not be terribly pissed that it's adding kill time to AV (in the scheme of things. If you're after AV, J-Lo is just +1 hour or whatever).

You kill JOL in 45 minutes with 8 melee, 2 brds, and 2 cors? I so want to see this. Fraps it would ya? Being a blm at JOL usually, this interests me greatly!

My issue is that AV is not an automatic pop. So making JOL easier is stupid unless it is, imo.

[Aksannyi]

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(FYI the following is not meant in a mean way.) Sorry to hear that Aks. I guess I've been blessed and always had the best of luck when I did it. We usually take about the same set up but it never takes more than an hour to a hour and a half.

Well my first JoL was our LS's first JoL (and trust me that wasn't very long ago, a few months maybe?), so we are getting there, just as a shell that's newer to sea we have not gotten it down to an exact science just yet.

[TheGrandMom]

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You guys will get in the swing pdq. It really is a fairly easy NM as long as you don't have any major idiots. The more experienced you are, the faster and more efficient you'll be. Soon it won't be anymore daunting than Kirin is.

[Aksannyi]

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Yeah, we already have it down easily for the most part. Our problem is we do sea/sky on a two week on again-off again rotation (Two weeks sky, two weeks sea, repeat) and so we only really touch JoL two days out of a month.

[Lmnop]

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You kill JOL in 45 minutes with 8 melee, 2 brds, and 2 cors? I so want to see this. Fraps it would ya? Being a blm at JOL usually, this interests me greatly!

Does this seem ridiculous? I'm sorry, I don't know enough about him to know what the standard is.

Our layout was:
2x DD parties
1x tank party
outside BLMs for the summons

I thought if you were able to get such a layout, 45 mins was kinda the norm.

[TheGrandMom]

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Does this seem ridiculous? I'm sorry, I don't know enough about him to know what the standard is.

Our layout was:
2x DD parties
1x tank party
outside BLMs for the summons

I thought if you were able to get such a layout, 45 mins was kinda the norm.

Well you didn't say anything about blms or tanks in the first post! Damn it here I was getting excited for a way to do it without blms! /sigh

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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So here's SE saying "Fine, you wusses, have it the easy way. God forbid you quit for WOW."

/duck

Quitting for WoW was so 2006.

They quit WoW for Age of Conan or Warhammer now.

[Grizzlebeard]

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Quitting for WoW was so 2006.

They quit WoW for Age of Conan or Warhammer now.

Quitting for AoC was so June.

Most of the people have returned from that game, although, War might have a more significant impact. Hopefully it removes all the PvP tards who rolled on a PvE server.

[BurningPanther]

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Is AoC any good?