New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

[Malacite]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

So, were there mass firings @ SE or did they all have some kind of euphoric epiphany
after sipping the Ambrosia?

[BurningPanther]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

So, were there mass firings @ SE or did they all have some kind of euphoric epiphany
after sipping the Ambrosia?

More like after smoking the peyote.

[Karinya]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Using phrasing along the lines of "NMs of the same caliber as Sky and Sea NMs" speaks more of their difficulty and epic factor than rewards if you ask me. Yeah, the rewards will probably be good, but I have to side with Lmnop in that it'd be foolish to expect an easy way to get hard drops like Abjurations.

Well, it depends on if you count claiming as a legitimate form of "difficulty", I guess. If you don't, then Fafnir is *already* an easy way to get "hard" drops. If you have a good enough claimbot.

Anyone (i.e. any LS) who can kill Kirin can kill Fafnir. But not anyone who can pop Kirin can get claim on Fafnir. So which one is harder? Which one deserves better rewards? Which one *has* better rewards? Why are the answers to those questions not the same?

Hell, *Odin* has worse drops than Fafnir, if you don't have either of them already.

That's the kings problem. The fake difficulty of claiming substitutes for the real difficulty of a tough fight, and the best EX drops (and the best money drops) go to the best claimers, not the best fighters. SE released too-good gear (like D-ring and ridill) for kings, then toned down the gear in later content, but without nerfing the old broken stuff because they never do. Result: crazy broken gear is still out there, but behind the fake difficulty of players crashing into each other trying to get claims on mobs that weren't designed for the large population of high-level chars we have today. People who avoid the tedium and drama of kings claiming end up fighting twice as hard for weaker gear (but at least they spend the time *fighting*, so it's not a complete loss in some players' book).

If the new NMs drop (some of) the same items that drop from kings (and wyrms, and TAU "kings"), then kings claiming won't be as big an advantage. If they drop similar items that can stack with the kings items, than ordinary hardworking players still can't catch up to Assholewithaclaimbot's gear.


P.S. A global nerf to multihit weapons is long overdue. Reduce extra TP to 1 per extra hit like multihit WS, and don't allow enspells/Souleater/dances/etc. to trigger on more than 1 hit per swing. (Souleater should also be adjusted to have the effect amount be proportional to adjusted delay so it doesn't suck for DRKs' main weapons, and doesn't get ridiculously amped up by haste effects.) You'd still get more DoT and a bit more TP, but they'd be FAR less of a balance monster than they are right now. They might not even be worth using for people with crappy skill in them. But that's the kind of thing SE is unlikely to do, even though it is badly needed. Instead they'll introduce new gear that isn't horribly broken, and leave the old gear that *is* horribly broken around to overshadow anything remotely balanced they introduce later.

The nice thing about being a pessimist is that most surprises are good (although being a pessimist, you don't expect it). So maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised - but I don't expect it. XD

[Sevv]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Please dear god cry more.

[BurningPanther]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Please dear god cry more.

I take it you feel the current systems, for loot and multi-hit weapons, are just hunky-dory?

[Sevv]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

I take it you feel the current systems, for loot and multi-hit weapons, are just hunky-dory?

Most of the multi hit weapons are used for tp only, and aren't broken. Oh but the ridill but the ridill, guys the ridill isn't even dropped 5% of the time, but its only the people who claim and bot. Here is the thing you can claim with out bots, does it happen often? No, but can it be done? Yes. Is the hnm system overall the best? No it isn't. The Dev team is finally really putting out extra content for everyone, but what does it come down to people bitching about kings /emo seriously just cry more at this point. Oh and please bring Defending Ring into how broke kings are, because it will show just how little you know about the current games or hnms.

Also to all the people crying please bring forth your kill numbers and time spent in camping. For a long time I never thought I would get a ridill, I camped and I didn't sit here and complain it was unfair others got it. Eventually after putting in the effort, I got my ridill and it was well earned. To the people who say but there are better wars who could get one then people who have them, If they don't put in effort they don't deserve it honestly, The king system isn't perfect but isn't as broken as people make it out to be.

[Feba]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

guys the ridill isn't even dropped 5% of the time,

It's perfectly possible for something to be rare and also completely broken.

And the fact that SE gives you other things to do is no reason to not complain about there being horribly broken equipment and methods of gaining said equipment out there. If there were RMTs and scammers and bots to the point that some other MMOs have, and SE didn't do anything about it, you wouldn't say "there's plenty to do.", you'd be pissed.

[Sevv]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

It's perfectly possible for something to be rare and also completely broken.

And the fact that SE gives you other things to do is no reason to not complain about there being horribly broken equipment and methods of gaining said equipment out there. If there were RMTs and scammers and bots to the point that some other MMOs have, and SE didn't do anything about it, you wouldn't say "there's plenty to do.", you'd be pissed.

You do realize that ridill only breaks meripos and not even by as much as people here know about? There is more chance to get a kraken which is 100% more broken then a ridill.

[Feba]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Then that should be fixed too.

Broken is broken is broken. How broken something is or how rare something is is not a factor.

It'll never cease to amaze me how nowadays it's nearly impossible for a game maker to keep it balanced, fair, and fun, even though we did that amazingly well hundreds (and even thousands) of years ago.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

I honestly don't know why they don't just fix their shitty coding. Fuck's sake, people have been bot-claiming Fafnir since before NA launch. S-E knows it and the players know it, it's common knowledge. Yet what do they do about it? Absolutely zero. So some of the best gear in the game ends up in the hands of no-life fucking douches who are the antithesis of all the game supposedly stands for.

[Sevv]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Yes broken when you have tons of merits and countless other peices to actually make it even worthwild, lets just like i said make one class call it Cloud and it does everything and has on god mode, put it one a console make all drops 100% and the mmo style can be talking to other people with no interaction.

[Armando]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Sevv, Karinya wasn't "crying" about anything. There's a difference between pointing out flaws in the system and crying about them. Moreover, Karinya wasn't doing so because of the content SE just added, or on a whim; she was addressing something I said regarding the difficulty of NMs.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Yes broken when you have tons of merits and countless other peices to actually make it even worthwild, lets just like i said make one class call it Cloud and it does everything and has on god mode, put it one a console make all drops 100% and the mmo style can be talking to other people with no interaction.

Please dear god cry more.

I can resist everything but temptation.

[Akashimo]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

There is more chance to get a kraken which is 100% more broken then a ridill.

Right, 4 jobs that can make actual good use out of kraken is consider broken, Pld, whm, drk and mnk. That's zomg sooo broken. Ridill, don't get me started on Ridill wars please. Honestly.

I can resist everything but temptation.

[Sevv]

Re: New Notorious Monsters (06/04/2008)

Right, 4 jobs that can make actual good use out of kraken is consider broken, Pld, whm, drk and mnk. That's zomg sooo broken. Ridill, don't get me started on Ridill wars please. Honestly.

So its your 4 jobs on kraken vs 2 on ridill? So ridill is more broken?

Honestly alot of the people here talk about endgame items being broken, but they take alot of gear merits and work to actually get great uses out of these items. Alot of jobs maxed out will preform very close to one another.