Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008) (OLD)

[Pteryx]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I would think so, only in that if you could only do one song and then have to wait for a cooldown, it would not be very effective.

Depends on the cooldown. A 30-second cooldown would likely work fine. -- Pteryx

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

There have always been and always will be crappy Brds. No matter the kind of party or fight or situation, it's a job many level because of easy invites and relatively cheap gear. But those that can work it right and get it to a balance as it is now will be thrown a bit by this update as it adds another song to the mix. No reason to damn the good because of the majority of bad

OK then, the level of suck amoungst BRDs has increased in proportion.

Also, I'll add... Hi2u Mazurka nerf. It punished the good BRDs and the bad.

This adjustment isn't punishing BRDs, though, its being made for the good of the people BRDs PT with. No longer will BRDs be able to pass the buck to RDM for refreshing the PLD or another frontline MP user. PLDs will expect them to do this, if it comes at the cost of a BRD not pulling, parties will find a way to live with it.

You have to realize that the way BRD functions has affected PT setups dramatically and that this update lessens the degree of severity in how PTs are arranged. SE could have made the adjustment to COR as well, but COR could just /DNC thier way around the matter now if the mobs have MP. Most popular EXP targets usually do have MP, anyway, or at least have them staggered out there in the zones.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Give ninja's a job ability for god's sake! It's the only job without any native job abilities now that bard has this ability. It makes me sad.

You do have a point, but it wouldn't be the first time SE has added something that wasn't needed. Would be nice to see something that would make ninja a little more interesting though. Maybe even a useful merit.

...

I'm not complaining about the job or anything, I'm just saying it would be nice if there was a little something more to the job, kind of like what SE has been doing to the other jobs.

In other words, you're complaining just to complain.

[Ziero]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

would have to say this looks like a nice update, but as always someone has to bitch about something ;p

In other words, you're complaining just to complain.

This is the internet, what did you expect?

OK then, the level of suck amoungst BRDs has increased in proportion.

Also, I'll add... Hi2u Mazurka nerf. It punished the good BRDs and the bad.

This adjustment isn't punishing BRDs, though, its being made for the good of the people BRDs PT with. No longer will BRDs be able to pass the buck to RDM for refreshing the PLD or another frontline MP user. PLDs will expect them to do this, if it comes at the cost of a BRD not pulling, parties will find a way to live with it.

You have to realize that the way BRD functions has affected PT setups dramatically and that this update lessens the degree of severity in how PTs are arranged. SE could have made the adjustment to COR as well, but COR could just /DNC thier way around the matter now if the mobs have MP. Most popular EXP targets usually do have MP, anyway, or at least have them staggered out there in the zones.

...I'm gonna let this one go cause I think you're reading a completely different topic

[eticket109]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

after all, lord knows ninjas need another button to push and more stuff to keep track of

[Jonastb]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Depends on the cooldown. A 30-second cooldown would likely work fine. -- Pteryx

With an 8 second sing time, usually rounds out to between 10-12 seconds for the whole song, a 30 second cool down isn't really going to help. Especially if the target requires 2 songs and is in the middle of the group you are playing AoE songs for.

OK then, the level of suck amoungst BRDs has increased in proportion.

Not sure why bards are so bad on your server, but on mine (Pandemonium), they know what they are doing. Maybe the problem isn't the bards, just your expectations are too high. Might want to take a step or two down from that pedastal.

Also, I'll add... Hi2u Mazurka nerf. It punished the good BRDs and the bad.

What mazurka nerf?

You have to realize that the way BRD functions has affected PT setups dramatically and that this update lessens the degree of severity in how PTs are arranged. SE could have made the adjustment to COR as well, but COR could just /DNC thier way around the matter now if the mobs have MP. Most popular EXP targets usually do have MP, anyway, or at least have them staggered out there in the zones.

Most jobs change as they level. Endgame requirements for almost all jobs out there are not the same as leveling 1-74. Bards are no different in this. Parties adjust to how the jobs they have available, and how that job is played at the time, to get the job done. I still remember when Rangers were the puller of choice, next THF then WAR, lastly, anyone who had a ranged weapon. Bard pull? Why the hell would they do that. Now, Rangers refuse to pull cause they might get hurt, but send the paper defense bard out there to do it instead. See, jobs changed throughout the course of the game. None of this had anything to do with a single target song.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Being strictly objective here, let us look at all the jobs that have received a direct adjustment since the November fanfest:

WAR: O (Retaliation)
MNK: X ("Kick" Abilities?)
THF: O (Accomplice; later, Collaborator)
BLM: O (Retrace)
WHM: O ("Recall" line of spells)
RDM: X (Ever-so anticipated "front-line" update)
PLD: X (Damage-reflection, possible tie-in with a Shield . . . I'd love for it to be subbable . . . )
DRK: O (Absorb:ACC; also, just look at all the love DRK has been getting BEFORE fanfest)
BRD: X (Single-target-able songs)
BST: O (Snarl)
RNG: O (Velocity Shot)
SAM: O (Sekkanoki)
NIN: O (Monomi: Ichi)
DRG: O (Wyvern gains experience! . . . sort of)
SMN: O (Elemental Siphon)
BLU: O (Asuran Claws, et al.)
COR: O (New Phantom Rolls)
PUP: O (New Automaton Weaponskills)
DNC: O (Various tweaks; bonuses if being used as Main job)
SCH: O (Sublimation, Addendums, et al.)

Basically meaning every single job RoZ onward got a buff, and most of the others did as well, leaving only Monk, Red Mage, Paladin, and Bard at the front of the line. And more jobs than that got plenty of treats in the last version update.

Still, the probability Red Mages get an update in the next version update has pretty much seemed to be the converse of the probability the sun rises tomorrow thus far. We shall see what happens.

HUH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT.

/allcaps

[Ziero]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

lollackofrdmupdate

[Sevv]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I hope they dont ever update rdm, since they will still bitch directly after regarless... "How come the war using mighty strikes rampage does more damage /emo"

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

lollackofrdmupdate

Indeed. As of June, the only job without an update since November fanfest will also be the only job without an update for the past four-and-a-half years.

Neat.

[Mhurron]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

"How come the war using mighty strikes rampage does more damage "

I'd like to see you try to give me a good damn reason for it too.
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Indeed. As of June, the only job without an update since November fanfest will also be the only job without an update for the past four-and-a-half years.

This might mean something if it came from someone who had a good idea for something that should be done, but since it doesn't, well, it doesn't.

[Raydeus]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

What mazurka nerf?

Mazurka used to generate a lot of hate, the more party memebers it hit the more emnity it would generate. This allowed brds to hold hate pretty well and tank stuff like HNM.

Or so they say, I never actually saw it in practice outside regular NMs.

[Akashimo]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Mazurka used to generate a lot of hate, the more party memebers it hit the more emnity it would generate. This allowed brds to hold hate pretty well and tank stuff like HNM.

Or so they say, I never actually saw it in practice outside regular NMs.

Its true, I've seen it a few times on Simmy. Some time other ls's bards would even use that to just steal the claim as well. Which I think was more the reason to it.

[Cotners]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Mazurka used to generate a lot of hate, the more party memebers it hit the more emnity it would generate. This allowed brds to hold hate pretty well and tank stuff like HNM.

Or so they say, I never actually saw it in practice outside regular NMs.

Brd/Nin and Nin/Brd both worked very well and held very strong hate. It was great fun when I was on Blm.

[Raydeus]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I want to see turtle tanking taken to the next level soon.

Something like:

Uruk Shield

From Druaga's Tower.
Druaga Uruk Shield.jpg
Tower shield DEF 50 Movement speed -40%
Enchantment:
Evasion -60% Physical dmg taken -60% DEF 75 Bind effect on user.

Man I can only dream.