Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008) (OLD)

[Raydeus]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

It's not like rdm are the only job in game that get spells as some of their group 2 merits, or even the only job that gets only spells as their group 2 merits and I don't think they get the least useful group 2 spell either if I am remembering things right.

Sorry but that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

I don't care about what other jobs got or didn't, the point was it would've been better if SE added the spells as scrolls and waited to add group 2 merits.

Like I said, it could've been done in the form of group 2 being tier II Enspells or meritable Enspell traits, instead of what they did.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Easier said than done, I can barely cast a song per mob I pull or the pace gets broken. Might try /rdm for fast cast instead of /nin and see how it works. It isn't about rotation, it's about time I have for casting songs while pulling.

Then don't pull and let someone who can pull do so.

Buffs are your calling card and your top priority as a BRD, anyone can pull.

[Raydeus]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I've never had problems pulling or keeping buffs up if ythat's what you are trying to imply, but adding another song to the cycle without enough fast cast would be troublesome for me.

[711rocks]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

2 minute feint
2 minute feint
2 minute feint

[eticket109]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

It will be interesting to see how a fully merited angon and strafe will perform.

[Satimasu]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

This update is getting better all the time.

[Ziero]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

This is basically why I think ninja should get some kind of JA. Many people hate leveling it, probably because all they do is voke and recast utsusemi. There's nothing to make the job enjoyable until they actually start to do some damage, which is a fair ways up in the levels.

Then they're doing it wrong cause nin gets a lot more spells then just Utsu. I'm not saying they shouldn't get a JA or something cause hell, I'd love for them to get more stuff as I wanna lvl it sometime in the future, but the job is real fun when you can enfeeble and wheel spam on top of doing decent melee dmg.

Then don't pull and let someone who can pull do so.

Buffs are your calling card and your top priority as a BRD, anyone can pull.

Why should they be forced fit into one single role when they can do other things effectively? Especially if they can buff WHILE pulling in those high number chains.

Personally, I love how SE made a bunch of 'meh' abilities into 'Cool!' and some 'Cool!' abilities into "Awesome!" with this. I'm also eager to find out what other secret ability updates they have coming with this update. Does anyone know when it's happening? I keep hearing first week of june.

[Omni]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

I just splooged over my haidate's.

This looks like a very interesting update.
Even though end-game hardly uses rng anymore, the -10% delay looks very nice.

+20%hp mantra might give mnk a place in zerg happy hnmls' which otherwise is a non-existent job right now.

+1:40 on phantom rolls means I can be even more lazy and gives me time to do some dd in merits.

kick attacks... not sure how that's going to work out. unless the dmg and tp gain is enormous, you wont see mnks using it in meripo, which is more or less the only place you do see mnks now. oh, actually you see them in salvage too! i wonder if this will affect the popularity of kick attack+ items. ie: kung fu shoes/wulong/dune boots.

the brd /ja is awesome. I'm actually dealing with that issue now where you need to give the pld all the refresh you can get but trying hard not to hit other melee. i've gotten the distance down pretty well but this update will make my job a lot easier.

taru blms start capping out ur xp buffer!

and seriously, se has a major hard on for pld (as well as sam). MORE shield procs? i've grown to love pld/nin tanks nowadays. by far the best all around tank. I cant wait to see them in action to see how much it helps them when straight tanking big game.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Why should they be forced fit into one single role when they can do other things effectively? Especially if they can buff WHILE pulling in those high number chains.

Because its a role that's neglected by the majority of BRDs.

I'm still able to count the number of BRDs that can maintain buffs and pull full time on one hand. This includes those in endgame linkshell meritpo. The overall quality of players in the class is abysmal for the hype it gets.

+1:40 on phantom rolls means I can be even more lazy and gives me time to do some dd in merits.

I'm presently 2/3 on Winning Streak merits, I'm really torn between giving them up or maxing them out. I never really seem to need Snake Eye or Fold too terribly often to need to merit them beyond where I have them now. Having them available more often is nice and all, but I may just take the 1:40 extention on buffs. I'd merit Snake Eye before Fold, though

[Pteryx]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Concerning group II upgrade vs. RDM melee upgrade: I take the RDM melee upgrade not happening this time around as meaning that they're having a hard time making it balanced. They've probably tried a couple things, found them unworkable, and are back at the drawing board as we speak.

Concerning the group II adjustment in general: Personally, I'm expecting that it's not going to be pure upgrade. Probably a few of the group IIs will be adjusted at the same time...

• Protectra V sucks, and would still at least suck for the level of investment even after this update. I'm hoping they adjust the upgrades upward at least a little; even making it +3 Def per upgrade would help when combined with this update.
• I wouldn't be surprised if Slow II's curve shifted a little bit to make a single level of it less powerful and additional levels of it more so.
• -50 Enmity for a whole minute seems a liiittle strong. I'm betting Muted Soul will be bumped down to -8 Enmity per merit.
• If Desperate Blows isn't changed to -3% Delay per merit to make the update a zero sum game for this trait, I'll be shocked.

Concerning kickboxing: Kung Fu Shoes are gonna be a hot item...

Concerning Aura Spikes: Ah, that's why it's going to be worthwhile. Great news for my PLD/RDM!

Concerning serenading people: Yay! About time!

Concerning PLD dual-shielding: It'd be even cooler if we had dual spiked or bladed shields. -- Pteryx

[Icemage]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

In a bit of role reversal, I'll point out that Ninjas DID get some love (indirectly) here.

Ordinarily at endgame, Ninjas get posted into tank parties, where the typical songs being run are... wait for it... Ballad I and Ballad II. Which for anything except a NIN/DRK is completely useless (and really a NIN/DRK could live just fine off of Refresh 95% of the time).

Now Bards can toss the NIN a targetted Victory March and stack a Foe Sirvente on top of it (particularly NIN/WAR who have zero use for MP).

RDMs got a BIG boost here. All of their group 2 merit abilities are now extremely potent. This won't stop the "I want to swing my sword!" crowd from whining of course, but it's nonetheless a big boost to a job that probably needed it the least to begin with.

WHM group 2 merits just got really interesting. Even at 68 DEF, Protectra V is still a crock since Protectra IV is 55 DEF. But the other options are all pretty amazing (particularly 10 minute Devotion).

Paladins are another big winner here. It's not like any of their group 2's were bad to begin with. Ditto for Warrior.

Dark Knights getting 25% Haste from Desperate Blows = yowza. I'm not sure S-E has thought this all through. Look for more endgame DRK zerging tactics to re-appear ever since equipment haste got nerfed.


Icemage

[Omni]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Because its a role that's neglected by the majority of BRDs.

I'm still able to count the number of BRDs that can maintain buffs and pull full time on one hand. This includes those in endgame linkshell meritpo. The overall quality of players in the class is abysmal for the hype it gets.



I'm presently 2/3 on Winning Streak merits, I'm really torn between giving them up or maxing them out. I never really seem to need Snake Eye or Fold too terribly often to need to merit them beyond where I have them now. Having them available more often is nice and all, but I may just take the 1:40 extention on buffs. I'd merit Snake Eye before Fold, though

I personally like pulling on cor and brd. It keeps me awake. If I'm meriting as mnk or w/e I tend to doze off so giving me more goodies helps.

I'm not sure how I want to merit cor. I havent gone into any of the job specific merits for cor yet. I think I'll go full winning streak merits, full PR recast merits and full qd merits just to give myself wiggle room on tp'ing and pulling when in meripo. end game it really doesnt matter all that much how long my rolls last imo, just a convenience.

Do you think the brd /ja is going to be like nightingale/troubadour where it lasts for XX seconds and anything sung during that time is targeted or will it be a 1/ja 1song sort of deal?

[Ziero]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Dark Knights getting 25% Haste from Desperate Blows = yowza. I'm not sure S-E has thought this all through. Look for more endgame DRK zerging tactics to re-appear ever since equipment haste got nerfed.

Icemage

Or perhaps the opposite and SE did plan for this, hence the previous "nerf" to their higher end Haste effects or whatever it was. Lowering it overall to make room for this rebuff.

Because its a role that's neglected by the majority of BRDs.

I'm still able to count the number of BRDs that can maintain buffs and pull full time on one hand. This includes those in endgame linkshell meritpo. The overall quality of players in the class is abysmal for the hype it gets.

There have always been and always will be crappy Brds. No matter the kind of party or fight or situation, it's a job many level because of easy invites and relatively cheap gear. But those that can work it right and get it to a balance as it is now will be thrown a bit by this update as it adds another song to the mix. No reason to damn the good because of the majority of bad

[Kailea]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

would have to say this looks like a nice update, but as always someone has to bitch about something ;p

[Jonastb]

Re: Battle Adjustments (05/28/2008)

Do you think the brd /ja is going to be like nightingale/troubadour where it lasts for XX seconds and anything sung during that time is targeted or will it be a 1/ja 1song sort of deal?

I would think so, only in that if you could only do one song and then have to wait for a cooldown, it would not be very effective.