New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

but there is no penalty for continued curing,

There doesn't have to be a penalty for it to harm your EXP.

For example, you can fight IT mobs, and after a certain point the EXP you gain from them will cap out. Now, you can fight mobs that give more than that EXP cap, and it won't PENALIZE you for doing that; but you're still going to get less EXP as a result because of other problems that fighting tougher mobs present.

but you're not really losing much of anything for tossing out the cure except for MP.

For about the third dozenth time, the loss of MP isn't the only problem with helping others.

So, again mages, why not sub these as you tell the melees to?

Because we're telling the melees to sub them so they can TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES; not so they can help mages. What you're proposing is that mages go out of THEIR way to help OTHERS; we're just telling people to take care of themselves.

Let's say you were leveling BST, and there was another person leveling BST nearby. They get themselves killed, but they didn't bother using reraise. Would you stop your EXP and raise them, even though it all could've been prevented by them thinking ahead; not to mention the fact that their presence by it's nature reduces the amount of EXP you get? And what if their body had dangerous mobs lurking around it; would you risk aggroing one of them and getting yourself killed to save them? Because that's pretty much what you're asking mages to do.

And, again, you don't need a reason to take care of yourself. Saying that mages have a duty to keep you alive regardless of how much EXP they earn doesn't prove anything except that you're an asshole who's thinking about your bottom line.

Two way street, brah.

[Kittyneko]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Do you hand out the gil and seals you get

Hand out seals? Enough said.

If you're going to cast such ridiculous aspersions on the motivations of other players at least have a reason beyond "This is the way I think things should be and you guys are wrong for disagreeing with me."

Read the 200 posts before yours.

You can go ahead and go through every post, people get tired of repeating themselves in different words, when other people ignoring those facts and just spamming the same things over and over.

Don't you get it? People don't want to admit their arguments have already been thrown away 200 posts ago.

What you're proposing is that mages go out of THEIR way to help OTHERS;

See? They're ignorant.

[Jonastb]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Read the 200 posts before yours.

You can go ahead and go through every post, people get tired of repeating themselves in different words, when other people ignoring those facts and just spamming the same things over and over.

Don't you get it? People don't want to admit their arguments have already been thrown away 200 posts ago.

I would think you were catching on, but then, you don't realize this is actually about your posts.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

In Kailea's world:

-Mages have infinite MP and SCH gives you an extra 1000 mp per minute to waste.
-That allows for mages to cure each and every melee that's getting hit by aoe 5 times in a minute.
-Because of course Mages can magically see the HP values of every melee in Campaign while they (the mages) are locked-on meleeing a mob.
-Mages can also get notes automatically regardless of being KO'd or resting MP.
-Emnity doesn't exist.
-Mage's duty is to support everyone so the Altana forces win the battle against teh evil!
-...While melee get 1000 more xp and notes per fight.


Did I forget anything?

..... ok this kind of thing pisses me off the most, do not try and build my little "world"


Your little world you have build of me? I dont follow a damn bit of it.

I have not once said any of this nor thought it

I have said many times that I never wanted mages to be my HP regain whore.
You are now placing words in my mouth.

oh and....
"-Because of course Mages can magically see the HP values of every melee in Campaign while they (the mages) are locked-on meleeing a mob."

they can to a point, its called sub target, I do it all the time, locked on to a mob, and selecting someone else. Its not that hard to scan a group real fast with sub target while you are meleeing and select someone with less then half HP.

now again, because it seems people are determined to make me out as some kind of "WHM should never melee and only heal" kind of person

I have said it many times YOU CAN HEAL AND MELEE AT THE SAME TIME.

[Jonastb]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

I have said it many times YOU CAN HEAL AND MELEE AT THE SAME TIME.

And so has EVERYONE else on this thead. The problem is, you want them to Melee and heal EVERYONE else. And don't say that no, just occassional cures, because everyone wants one of those occassional cures. Which, by the way, has been said many times as well.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Hand out seals?

Yes.

Invite -> Lot -> Pass -> Disband. Not that hard. RMT and some bored LS have been selling RA/EX items that way for YEARS.

[Murphie]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Hand out seals? Enough said.

I know you can't actually hand them out, but it's the principle behind the idea. Way to misread. As Feba noted above, there is a way around that.

Maybe a better example, so that I wouldn't have to deal with a pedantic response like this would be "gil and drops" instead of gil and seals. Happy now? The idea is the same, but now there is no way to distract from the main thrust of my point by calling out a game mechanic issue.

Read the 200 posts before yours.

I might suggest you do the same thing.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

I have said it many times YOU CAN HEAL AND MELEE AT THE SAME TIME.

That's nice. WHY should I heal? It has plenty of downsides for me, and about the only upside would be my ego.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

And so has EVERYONE else on this thead. The problem is, you want them to Melee and heal EVERYONE else. And don't say that no, just occassional cures, because everyone wants one of those occassional cures. Which, by the way, has been said many times as well.

you need to stop sticking words in my mouth, I dont want them to heal everyone, they can do the same thing I do when I go DRG/SCH

Melee a mob, and ever so often scan the people around me, if I see someoen below 50% or around that, I toss a cure2 maybe a 3.

Before I engage the mob I use Sublimation, and when the mob dies I use it again. to get back any MP I used that fight.

That way I have a good chance of only getting added hate from the current mob that I am fighting, and I have never run into problems.
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That's nice. WHY should I heal? It has plenty of downsides for me, and about the only upside would be my ego.

why should you heal? you dont even PLAY FEBA -.-

You should not even have been in this conversation to begin with......


but to answer that question....

why should you heal? what would you be a WHM or RDM? mmm well lets see what has a RDM or a WHM done in every FF game..... oh I know... heal.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

why should you heal? what would you be a WHM or RDM? mmm well lets see what has a RDM or a WHM done in every FF game..... oh I know... heal.

yes. HEAL PEOPLE IN THEIR PARTY.

WHY should I heal someone who I've made no agreements to help, anymore than you should pass out gil to people?

[Jonastb]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

you need to stop sticking words in my mouth, I dont want them to heal everyone, they can do the same thing I do when I go DRG/SCH

Melee a mob, and ever so often scan the people around me, if I see someoen below 50% or around that, I toss a cure2 maybe a 3.

What you fail to comprehend is that is not what is being asked of the mages. And that is what I was talking about.

And for the record, that was the Plural you. Meaning everyone on your side of the arguement.

[Murphie]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

You were told to stop talking about whether or not people have a right to be in the conversation, Kailea. Feba's question is valid, and you have yet to answer it. You just keep repeating the same thing, without providing a why beyond "Because I say so."

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

You were told to stop talking about whether or not people have a right to be in the conversation, Kailea. Feba's question is valid, and you have yet to answer it. You just keep repeating the same thing, without providing a why beyond "Because I say so."

what the hell do you want, I swear you and Feba stick like glue.....

I have answered it many times, Feba just does not want to read it


WHM or RDM have curing spells, what it their main function in every FF game, its to heal

now in things like campaign, they dont have to do it nonstop, but helping someone 50% or below with a cure here and there would not hurt.

[Jonastb]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

now in things like campaign, they dont have to do it nonstop, but helping someone 50% or below with a cure here and there would not hurt.

And you have been given several explanations why this isn't true. You don't seem to want to understand what other people are saying.

[Murphie]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

what the hell do you want, I swear you and Feba stick like glue.....

I want you to answer the question. And Feba and I disagree far more often than we agree.

I have answered it many times, Feba just does not want to read it

No you haven't. The thing quoted below is not an answer. As has been explained to you many times, by more posters than just Feba and I.

WHM or RDM have curing spells, what it their main function in every FF game, its to heal

In every other area of the game, yes. This has been acknowledged many times in this thread.

now in things like campaign, they dont have to do it nonstop, but helping someone 50% or below with a cure here and there would not hurt.

And no one has denied that. So why are you pointing it out to people like they don't get it? No mage in this thread has denied that it's possible to toss out the occasional cure/raise/buff to other players. But as has been pointed out, numerous times, it is when every melee is expecting that. It's like when you hand out money to a beggar, and then down the street another one asks for money as well, and you're like "Hey guy, I just gave some to the guy down the street." and he doesn't believe you. That's what this is like.