New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Campaign isn't "normal" either. Like I've been saying, nothing is "normal". You can have normal for A SPECIFIC SITUATION-- for example, you can have a normal EXP party, or a normal dynamis group. But you can't say EXP is normal, and then try to apply that 'normal' to other things, like BCNM.

The far better idea for being able to post on these forums would be to be over 13 years old, given that's SE's requirement, but that's probably not going to happen either.

EDIT: Oh, just for fun, explain what I'm ignoring; and how you completely missed the fact that I addressed your entire statement concerning Hexa strike, but you weren't ignoring things.

yes EXP PTs are the normal, when it comes to what jobs do, and again who is trying to apply "normal" to anything here -.-

my post was about what the jobs NORMALLY do, but also stated they dont do this 100% of the time.

How many times do I need to explain/repeat this, your just trying to make an argument out of nothing at all.

edit: I am not ignoreing Hexa strike, its a WS WHM get, but in a party, WHM wont use it, and in things like Campaign, one WS will not magically make you any kind of DD.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

again who is trying to apply "normal" to anything here -.-

my post was about what the jobs NORMALLY do, but also stated they dont do this 100% of the time.

If they don't have to act that way all the time, why the hell do you want them to act like that in Campaign?

edit: I am not ignoreing Hexa strike,

Whoosh. Maybe it's literacy that should be a requirement to post.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

If they don't have to act that way all the time, why the hell do you want them to act like that in Campaign?


Whoosh. Maybe it's literacy that should be a requirement to post.

you know what, I don't care anymore, anything I say, you will just bend and twist, and make another smartass remarks.

Do everyone on these forums a favor and just go the hell away, you dont even play anymore, all you do is start BS on topics having to do with FFXI with your out of date information.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Explain how anything I've said in this thread is incorrect due to me not playing regularly anymore.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

oh I dont no lets see.....

WHM has...
Cure
Cure II
Cure III
Cure IV
Cure V
Raise

DRG has...
Auto Attack
jump
high jump
Super Jump
Angon

And if you sub whm, you can cure yourself, reraise yourself, stoneskin, etc OMG suvival abilities without making other players sacrifice their exp so that you can be taken care of!!

*rubs forhead* -.- yeah DRG has healing breath, only when subbing a few mage jobs

in a normal DD environment you wont be subbing a mage job

This isn't a "normal" enviroment. If you want to survive, you'll do what it takes. If you don't do what it takes, be very grateful to the mages that do take time to take care of your ass. But if none step up to the plate, then look in the mirror because the only person you have to blame is yourself. You have the ability, use it.

Come up with some valid reasons as to why:

1) Melee/Tanks can't make parties and invite mages if they want backup.
2) Melee/Tanks shouldn't sub the appropriate subs if they choose to go solo.
3) Mages should take time away to cure/raise people (other than pt members) and get less exp than melee/tanks just because you say so.

Still waiting. If all you melee want us to do your bidding, the least you can do is address these issues that have been asked over and over.

*taps her foot* Still waiting...

Ok, since no melee wants to answer these issues, I will try:

1) NO FRICKEN IDEA!
2) Again NO FRICKEN IDEA!
3) ..............yep.....you guessed it.... NO FRICKEN IDEA AGAIN!

Why doesn't anyone answer me? Because they know they can't give reasonable explanations and they just don't want to admit that they can help take care of themselves but don't want to. But I'll try to sum it all up....

This game is about getting exp/merits and getting uber equips while doing amazing things sometimes. When you are in an exp party everyone gets the same exp as everyone else, because thats fair. Heck, even in Besieged you can get the same exp as long as you put in the effort doing what you do best. In Campaign, it doesn't work that way so mages have to do things they don't normally do.

Now throw in that melee aren't too happy that mages have decided to earn as much exp as them BUT at the cost of doing what they usually do. So the melee are saying "Do what you normally do with a tiny bit of other stuff and I don't care if it hurts your exp because it hurts mine to be resting for hp or dead." But they cover it with the "Oh its only because I want to win at Campaign and not let the filthy beastmen win! We need to win this as a team!" (Should have come up with a better one that that....like the truth.)

Now the mages are saying "Nope, I want exp just like you and you have the ability to help yourself but you choose not to. That's not my problem. Go do what you need to do to get as much exp/notes as possible JUST LIKE I'M TRYING TO DO."

But the melee think for some reason that just because mages want to reap the same benefits as them, this is an outrage. Their damage output will go down a few points if they sub that sissy sub job! People will see them curing themselves or reraising and think "OMG sellout! Gimp!" and lord knows that would be AWFUL!

So the melee just come on the forums and try to twist what the mages are saying and make them look bad but yet they won't answer a simple statement that is the crux of the issue. Are the mages AND the melee being selfish about this entire issue? YES!

[TheGrandMom]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Kailea and Feba, if you wish to argue the merits of why someone should/shouldn't post on a public forum because they don't play anymore, please do so via PM's. Playing or not playing this game isn't the subject at hand. Stick to the subject or do not post.

[Gobo]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Kailea and Feba, if you wish to argue the merits of why someone shouldn't post on a public forum, please do so via PM's. Stick to the subject at hand or do not post.

Thank you. I was gonna say just lock this thread because its pretty much the same arguments over and over, but that works too.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

oh yes boo hoo there is an argument in a forum... like there is every where, lets lock it .. TGM... look...

I said myself I sub SCH, when I go DRG in things like campaign, I am takeing care of myself as well wehen I got DNC/NIN

I am not arguing that a Melee should take care fo them self, because in things like campaign they should, I never once said other wise, my original statement that you quited was about normal situations, then in the same post I even said its not 100% -.- my god I know Campaign is not a normal situation.... never said it was.

in Besiege people party up so there is no real issue there, but in campaign people don't most of the time. This is why I was saying originaly that people need to wrok togeather more, thats what I was meaning in my post. I dont care if WHM melees, as long as they cure when someone is in trouble.

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

never said it was.

Then what is your justification for forcing people to do things they don't want to?

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Then what is your justification for forcing people to do things they don't want to?

never said anything like that Feba, stop trying to start a fight with me......

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Yes, you did.

that is what a WHM does!

Referring to healing. Also

WHM = healing/buffing

[...]

and in War time, this is more relevant then in PTs

Do your job......
Do it right......

If you aren't saying that WHMs are supposed to heal injured people, what are you saying?

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

Yes, you did.



Referring to healing. Also



If you aren't saying that WHMs are supposed to heal injured people, what are you saying?

that is what a WHM does, but I did not say thats all they could do, nor was I forcing anyone to do so.

and again I love how you selectively pick things to quote, to try and make your point, that last part about doing your job and doing it right.... that was to all jobs not just WHM

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

that was to all jobs not just WHM

WHM is still a part of that, though. Saying that a WHM's job is "healing/buffing" and that you need to "do your job, and do it right" is implying that any WHM that DOESN'T heal/buff isn't doing their job right.

[Kailea]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

WHM is still a part of that, though. Saying that a WHM's job is "healing/buffing" and that you need to "do your job, and do it right" is implying that any WHM that DOESN'T heal/buff isn't doing their job right.

well that is a bit true....

if your a WHM, no matter what your doing, it being BCNM, EXP party, besieged,

or campaign.... if your not healing and or buffing, then what the hell are you doing?

again I don't care if your a healer and your meleeing, you get more exp that way, but you need to heal too -.-

[Feba]

Re: New Additions and Changes to Campaign (05/22/2008)

then what the hell are you doing?

What you want.

but you need to heal too -.-

Why? Obviously I get more EXP not healing, and Campaign goes on just fine. Self-sufficient melees tend to be alright too. So why do I "NEED" to heal, besides the fact that that's all you think mages can do?