Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

[Akashimo]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Its not like red mage is hurting for anything either lol.

But it would if wars were picked over rdms in this case.

[Mhurron]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Its not like red mage is hurting for anything either lol.

However, again, SE said there would be updates/additions/changes/Second coming of Christ for RDM.

[Sevv]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

However, again, SE said there would be updates/additions/changes/Second coming of Satan for RDM.

More like it once red mages start saying I can dd cuz s-e said so in the updates its prooooof!

parsing under 5% =/= ability to melee =P

[Akashimo]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

parsers need to diaf and get ban sticked >_>

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

I honestly consider the current state of WAR unacceptable no matter how good they're percieved to have it. While they may be loved for burn PTs, that's about all they're good for in my eyes until they start tanking again.

We have RDMs out there trying to break into every angle of the job - proof of its balanced and sound design - yet the design of WAR is utterly taken for granted and reduced to a mere DD. For the most versatile melee job in the game, I consider WAR to be in a rather shameful state. They may be popular in merit PTs, but ultimately, WAR is just another chump DD at endgame fighting for a piece of the DD pie when they can honestly be doing more.

[Callisto]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Maybe BLU COR and PUP AFv2 somewhere/somehow? I can't see how they'd actually put it into Dynamis because that would make absolutely no sense, but there must be some way to give those jobs their AFv2. Maybe DNC and SCH merits.

I personally could give two shits if it makes sense in terms of the storyline, I just want the AF2. Shove it in Dynamis so that I don't need to dedicate another night a week to a new event with my already packed LS event schedule.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Hell with that, WAR/NIN x2 in merit parties is better than having a NIN most times, unless the NIN is really well geared, which 99% of the time, isn't the case.

I am becoming elitist when it comes to merit parties, and sadly, I don't even care. I need hundreds of merits and you're only slowing me down by being gimp, so stop it. :p

Make WARs better tanks is ok, but I don't think they're that bad at what they do now.
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I personally could give two shits if it makes sense in terms of the storyline, I just want the AF2. Shove it in Dynamis so that I don't need to dedicate another night a week to a new event with my already packed LS event schedule.

It's gonna automerge me, but I don't care lol.

I do agree with this, it's not like I really need to tack another event onto my already busy schedule, and I'm hoping to break into the HNM scene in the near future when I am thoroughly done un-gimping myself.

Unfortunately, SE is all about story and to add these pieces of v2 into Dynamis would just not work for them.

[Mhurron]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

That's nice. I want a WAR tank the same way I want a RDM dd. Fine outside of EXP/Merit/Important battles.

Just because a job can it does not follow that it should or must.

[Sevv]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Warriors can still tank but why would you not use pld/nin or nin/drk which are all around better. Why gimp yourselves with a 3rd string anything in endgame.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Well are we talking endgame or merits? Big difference there, yeah I'd rather have PLD or NIN in endgame tanking but on merits, if you can voke you can tank.

[Akashimo]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

That depends, can a rdm keep up with curing a thf/war getting hate off a nin who lost shadows?

[Callisto]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Well are we talking endgame or merits? Big difference there, yeah I'd rather have PLD or NIN in endgame tanking but on merits, if you can vokekeep shadows up you can tank.

FTFY.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

FTFY.

Pretty much.

EDIT: Aka, if the nin can't keep up shadows after 75 levels of playing the damn job, I don't really fucking want him in my merit party. (This of course does not count freak incidents, links and other shit happen but I mean on regular mobs where there is nothing keeping him from putting up Utsusemi).

[Akashimo]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

Welll, it was a 3 way link, and he gotten peaking during it....

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Version Update Notice (02/05/2008)

I personally could give two shits if it makes sense in terms of the storyline, I just want the AF2. Shove it in Dynamis so that I don't need to dedicate another night a week to a new event with my already packed LS event schedule.

I find most of CoP/ToA endgame design to be vastly superior to RoZ's decrepit, flawed designs. I don't care if RoZ endgame has better gear, I don't want any reasons to go back to it once I've eliminated the reasons I had to go.

So, I've very much appreciate ToA AF staying the fuck out of Dynamis. So far, SE said they have no plans to put it in Dynamis, but through another means. SE started to realize people had lives when they started making CoP/ToA endgame and I, for one, very much appreciate that.

Warriors can still tank but why would you not use pld/nin or nin/drk which are all around better. Why gimp yourselves with a 3rd string anything in endgame.

Ha ha, fell for it. Endgame is not the only situation. Even if it was the only situation we were talking about, do WARs not tank grands and are not throughly capable of sharing tanking duties in Dynamis, Salvage or Limbus mobs?

Last I checked they were totally capable of that stuff, but the sad truth is the WAR that taps the full potential of the job is just as rare as a RDM that can make good on his claims to DD.

WAR has it very good in merits right now, meaning you can also cap EXP with ease. So tell me, what's keeping you from trying to max the potential of WAR when you can afford to hemmorage the EXP?

"I'm not as good as X Job" isn't a good enough reason, especially when RDMs have been known to step into tanking duties.