8-27 Update!

[Yellow Mage]

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Also I still don't understand why people complain so much b/c at some point or another they are going to come to one of two options....
A) Level a new job (which might use a 2hander)
B) Quit

Ooh! Ooh! /em stretches his hand high in the air!

Some people don't want to be forced in to playing flavor-of-the-month jobs. Duh.

[Zempten]

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Maybe I should have bolded "at some point or another". I never said anything about playing it RIGHT NOW. I said at SOME POINT OR ANOTHER which means later on in your ffxi experience.

[Yellow Mage]

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That still doesn't take away from the fact some people don't want to level all that many jobs, just because they were all the rage at some point.

[Zempten]

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You will lvl some of those jobs at one point unless your taking the mage route. If you are lvling mage then there isn't a reason for complaining since it's doesn't affect you DDing in a PT. Its also a plus for mages b/c once you get staff that sub slot is useless and grips give you something. Something is usually better then nothing at all.

If you lvl tank jobs your going to be lvling WAR wether you like it or not. If you lvl a DD job your going to be most likely subbing WAR,NIN(which will involve subbing WAR),THF, SAM or even DRK. You can't escape it because it's all intertwined with one another. Unless you have these already leveled pre-patch.

Your right some people don't want to lvl all that many jobs, but like I said they will at one point or another(it may not be a 2 hand weapon job) later on in their FXXI experience either to lvl with some buddies, do it for the LS/missions/quest..etc, b/c the job is soo fun b/c of the high DMG, or they are bored with their current job/completed their current job in terms of merits/gear. If not they will probably quit. I find it hard to believe someone is going to pay 13$ a month just to talk to some buddies when they could keep in touch through fourms/e-mail/AIM..etc for free. If you can though, you have my respect.

[WishMaster3K]

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I'm just peeved that some people are calling for nerfs when technically, this is the way damage should have scaled in the first place..

But then again, I'm not a melee, so I'm just lost on the whole topic and it looks like a shouting match.

[Aeni]

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aeni, the voice of bitter subjective ranting. subscribe now!

Omni, noticed I said most, but not all. There are several very good WARs that post even on these boards, but guess what? They number in the minority when you compare them to the sheer number of other warriors over at KI or Alla or BG even.

Look at the trashy posts they continue to dole out every week. Look at it from an in-game perspective as they continue to discriminate against certain job classes every time they form a meripo party. Every time they screen potential applicants for an end-game linkshell. Or when they get embroiled over something as minutely petty as rights to a common loot drop.

As far as I'm concerned, many of the job classes that received this improvement (sans SAMs as they have been somewhat less affected by these issues before) in the last update had gone nearly 4 years without any real positive change. That is beyond their limits of patience. I personally know several that have quit because of this. So, for WARs to come crying about this is extremely vexing and detrimental as they have an ability to take advantage of this improvement as well, unlike THFs and MNKs.

[Lmnop]

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I think I agree with Aeni or... Wishy.. or maybe Armando. I don't remember who's who?

I do still think this update may have been too much, since I think that we'll soon have lol1H. And Armando's spot on about how the thf/mnk/nins who're digging their own graves. Whereas it was the mnks, nins, and mainly wars who were deciding what job would get the lol prefix before.

I think, in general, it's much easier for those "loved" jobs to get good end game gear. If this update gives more end game LSs chances to use DRGs on an HNM fight, and more opportunities for said DRG to actually get better gear, then this update is a good thing.

Change is good. There's not much sense to paying heed to "long term" since the game will get changed at the drop of a hat anyway.

[Hyrist]

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I'm really not unhappy about anything here.

If anything needs to be fixed, it's that this damage works the same oh HNMs that should be at least a bit tougher.

Other than that, I've got no beef with this update at all.

Even though it seems to hurt some other jobs, let's keep in minds that they can always be buffed as well later on.

2handers really needed this.

[711rocks]

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Items like byakko's haidate were pwn enough-they don't also need to be a lightning ring.
Love torque is like another sniper for drg-why?

[WishMaster3K]

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PT today. PLD WHM BLM RDM DRG RNG.

10k hr, no food. God damn DRG was blowing holes in the Colibri.

Wow. This update just made holding hate very interesting. I wonder where they're going to take it from here.. Haven't had much action with SAMs, but I'll be staticing with 2 tomorrow, and 1 of them has had a STR build on his Taru since we were 50. And the other goes SAM/RNG and spams either Penta or Sidewinder depending on how he feels

/sigh

And I had trouble holding hate on them before...

[Sevv]

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we just pulled about 1/3 of sandy at once, with under 28 people sams and war/sams we slaughtered everything in a matter of seconds per mob, the update is broken, I benefit sooo much from this but it it so broken.

The comment about ah war w/ gaxes out dding dw. with a great axe you can have sub par gear and still out dd a very well gear war/nin. I invested time and gil into my war/nin, im upset that its so unbalanced, right now we went from one side to the other fast no middle ground.

[Akashimo]

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Wow.... I can just imagine Dynamis Beaucadine this friday >.> A lot of drks, drg and sams in our ls so yea........................... *still needs to learn pulls there*

[WishMaster3K]

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What about damage calculations for mobs?

; ; Think about the PLD tanks who block things with their face. ugggh..

[Aeni]

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If I were to take a stab here, I'm guessing that SE is planning to NOT raise level cap and therefore, whatever they have cooking up for the expansion, you better believe the monsters there will either be insanely difficult or just higher levels.

Which will mean that this change was most likely needed in preparation for that time.

I find it difficult that no one bothered to test these changes before rolling it out of testing phase. That I find it extremely unlikely they would do that leads me to believe that they have something else up their sleeves.

Oh, and by the by, isn't this part 1/?? updates? There were suppose to be several planned adjustments/improvements for all the jobs.

[WishMaster3K]

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Yeah good point Aeni.

WotG is supposed to be when all the factions were at their Peak, so it's presumable that the Beastmen and mobs in general will be harder due to the concept that war breeds innovation or something like that. And I'm sure if we encounter someone like the Shadow Lord, it'll be at the height of his power, and not just a shell of his former self.