Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

[Sevv]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

I'd assume + since his mainjob is redmage and his second is paladin.
(rdm/nin tanks gogogo!)

that was my assumption as well, but + emnity limits a red mages effectiveness. We had a fully merited emnity rdm/drk in a old ls whose chainstun got him killed everytime. I have 1 emnity merit it doesn't hurt my dd jobs but it helps my tank jobs.

[Legal Fish]

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Aren't you then missing the whole point of a MMOG if you refuse to party with anyone outside of your LS?

Uh, maybe if meriting was a social activity and the only social activity at that, at least for me anyway. LS Parties cut out the middle man and all the mess. You can assure yourself a party and probably a great party if you have some smart and nice friends, and you can also play around with stuff that wouldn't be acceptable in average play(SCs, BLMs, DD SMNs, Great Sword WAR or some random shit like that).

And if your LS is full of typical scum/sheep/retards/etc, maybe it's time to find a new LS? Double that if it's an end-game LS.

EDIT: Uh, I don't see RDMs usually surviving a chainspell Stun. The only times I did was with them taking a few hits and being near death while the tank goes crazy.

[Sevv]

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Uh, maybe if meriting was a social activity and the only social activity at that, at least for me anyway. LS Parties cut out the middle man and all the mess. You can assure yourself a party and probably a great party if you have some smart and nice friends, and you can also play around with stuff that wouldn't be acceptable in average play(SCs, BLMs, DD SMNs, Great Sword WAR or some random shit like that).
And if your LS is full of typical scum/sheep/retards/etc, maybe it's time to find a new LS? Double that if it's an end-game LS.
EDIT: Uh, I don't see RDMs usually surviving a chainspell Stun. The only times I did was with them taking a few hits and being near death while the tank goes crazy.

Depending on the time of chainspell stun in endgame I usually kept hate on my nin/war fine from it.

[WishMaster3K]

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We had a fully merited emnity rdm/drk in a old ls whose chainstun got him killed everytime.

+5 Enmity is so trivial for RDM. Or is it +4? Whatever, anyway, two pieces of gear negate the enmity from merits.

Chainstun is just asking to die, but if you kept hate then O_O Wow.

[Akashimo]

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My ls doesn't trust me to merit with thf/drg cause I like starting a fight SATA Jump w/o having tp >.>;; That and my obssession with wanting to to whm/nin or rdm/war(vorpal spamming!) just to prove I can come close to low end parsing with them <_<;; Still its fun when convincing pick ups for the optimal camp to do that in =3

[Sevv]

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+5 Enmity is so trivial for RDM. Or is it +4? Whatever, anyway, two pieces of gear negate the enmity from merits.
Chainstun is just asking to die, but if you kept hate then O_O Wow.

> It is +4
> Still you have higher hate then "base" which means you will pull hate more then normal
> +1 or +2 emnity will be good for paladin, and not hurt your Red Mage too much.
> Are you planning to level any other jobs?


> Aye I keep hate, even when tanking nin/war on faust, and our red mage decided to chainstun faust for fun. All tho another rdm/drk had pulled hate and got most of the mages killed lol.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Aren't you then missing the whole point of a MMOG if you refuse to party with anyone outside of your LS? I agree in EQ I used to do this because the gear gap between my raiding guild members and the average PUG was so huge that partying with outsiders in hard zones was usually a painful experience, however, that's not really an issue in FFXI as the top end gear still makes little to no difference to the average exp party.

There are people that are so loyal (or spoiled/disillusioned) that they can't believe anything outside of thier LS can possibly be a good time. I've had the 20k PTs without it being an LS PT, without it people being tricked out in terms of gear.

Its because they knew how to use the gear and subjobs they had. When they get the elite gear, they'll be even better. I shudder, however, at the great gear wasted on absolute idiots. All the HQ and endgame gear in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't know how to use it and you'd be surprised how few those people are.

A lot of people think just having the best gear makes them better, it doesn't. It means they have the potential to be better. Potential can be wasted, I've seen it happen a lot.

[Sevv]

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There are people that are so loyal (or spoiled/disillusioned) that they can't believe anything outside of thier LS can possibly be a good time. I've had the 20k PTs without it being an LS PT, without it people being tricked out in terms of gear.

Eh it's not that they believe they can't get a good pt outside of the ls, the reasons for ls parties are more you know what you are getting everytime and will have a better average exp/hr than a random pick up party. Its not spoiled or loyalty BBQ, its the knowing what you are getting is just usually a wiser choice as well as you know how to interact with people (their strengths and weakness) to make a better party.

Its because they knew how to use the gear and subjobs they had. When they get the elite gear, they'll be even better. I shudder, however, at the great gear wasted on absolute idiots. All the HQ and endgame gear in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't know how to use it and you'd be surprised how few those people are.

Great gear gets wasted on the botters all the time until s-e fixes that problem or relocates drops to an instance it is the way of the world. I will outparse shitty skilled and geared ridill wars like I have done in the past. Someday if I get a lucky lot (over a 100 on ridill ; I will get mine, and outparse more people, it will be nice.

A lot of people think just having the best gear makes them better, it doesn't. It means they have the potential to be better. Potential can be wasted, I've seen it happen a lot.

No it makes them better BBQ, not to the full potential but you throw a ridill on a shitty war he still will do better, will it be amazing nope but it will be an upgrade.

[Lmnop]

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Throw a Ridill on a naked Warrior and he's basically guaranteed at least 2nd best DD as foretold by the parser.

In other news, my BLU friend just sent me a parse of him keeping up with (actually outdoing by like 1.8% - nothing to write home about) a very decently geared Ridill WAR. Not completely pimped, but ridill/joy (colibri, btw)/sword merits and, from my understanding, a good none-to-minimal haste build.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Eh it's not that they believe they can't get a good pt outside of the ls, the reasons for ls parties are more you know what you are getting everytime and will have a better average exp/hr than a random pick up party. Its not spoiled or loyalty BBQ, its the knowing what you are getting is just usually a wiser choice as well as you know how to interact with people (their strengths and weakness) to make a better party.

Spoiled/Loyalty/Comfort Zone.

Same thing.

This game is about teamwork and if you never bother to learn how to function with other jobs, you'll be less effective and less knowledgeable for it. Just wait til you get 75 on that RNG and tell me you won't want to castrate a BRD for putting prelude you instead of giving you the Minuets you can really use.

No it makes them better BBQ, not to the full potential but you throw a ridill on a shitty war he still will do better, will it be amazing nope but it will be an upgrade.

The upgrade from "shitty" to "less shitty" still contains the word "shit."

[BurningPanther]

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The upgrade from "shitty" to "less shitty" still contains the word "shit."

Hahahahaha! That was priceless.

[Aeni]

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There are people that are so loyal (or spoiled/disillusioned) that they can't believe anything outside of thier LS can possibly be a good time. I've had the 20k PTs without it being an LS PT, without it people being tricked out in terms of gear.

These are the same people who PL their lowbies to "level" quicker. Did they learn the subtle nuances of a new job? Probably not. Which then goes in this quick procession:

1. Elite Mentality (I'm the sh*t and I'm in a good LS, why do I need to level the hard way?)

2. I'm better than anyone, I can figure out how to play this job w/o asking around.

3. I'm so good, that, while I didn't earn sh*t because I was PL'd to 50 in my static LS, I don't need to take advice from others either.

4. I'm only playing roughly 40% of the potential my job has to offer cause I didn't learn sh*t since I was half asleep with the exp leeched from PL.

That probably describes a lot of this "LS onry mentality" that I see players go around in this game. Fact of the matter is, most of them suck horsesh*t and if there was a full blown pvp option in FFXI like in WoW, you can bet the mansion that most of these players will be the one eating dirt every single time...

[Armando]

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Spoiled/Loyalty/Comfort Zone.

Same thing.

Guess I'm spoiled for doing CoP with my LS buddies.

IF you have the option of partying with LS buddies or random people, I think the choice is pretty clear. It's not a matter of whether or not a pickup party can be as good as a LS party. It may be as good, but then again it may not. If you have good LS buddies then you know exactly what you're getting and you'll probably fill out the majority of the party slots with relatively skilled and knowledgeable players; plus it's a hell of a lot easier to work with people you know than a total stranger. In a pickup party you could get anything from a horrible party full of jackasses to something surprisingly good. But I think we can all agree there's more mediocre or outright stupid players out there than there are skilled players looking for pickup invites.

Why would you fault someone for going with a party he knows is good? I don't believe Legal Fish even mentioned a static. For all you know he parties with a wide variety of jobs depending on who's on on what day. It's not like he'll lose the ability to interact with others either way.

[Sevv]

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Spoiled/Loyalty/Comfort Zone.
Same thing.

So you don't like to exp with your friends? My ls mates usually consist of my friends, the reason I am in the ls. I will seek or get blind invites and go, but if I am making a party sorry but friends + linkshell > all others, if that makes me a spoiled elitist then so be it.

This game is about teamwork and if you never bother to learn how to function with other jobs, you'll be less effective and less knowledgeable for it. Just wait til you get 75 on that RNG and tell me you won't want to castrate a BRD for putting prelude you instead of giving you the Minuets you can really use.

Aye and if they are in your linkshell and party linkshell only, and your linkshell is not complied of idiots then they will know better because as a linkshell you teach each other and grow. And Linkshell only can argue that by only exping together they are working on teamwork why would you need how to work with anyone outside your linkshell right?

The upgrade from "shitty" to "less shitty" still contains the word "shit."

And if that less shitty war outparsed your cor or your ranger, then you're shitty.

These are the same people who PL their lowbies to "level" quicker. Did they learn the subtle nuances of a new job? Probably not. Which then goes in this quick procession:

I do get pled a bit, but usually thru dunes/jungles if there is no one seeking. I also do a fair amount of research on my jobs and how to play them.

1. Elite Mentality (I'm the sh*t and I'm in a good LS, why do I need to level the hard way?)

Pl is common no matter what the mentality people don't like to put in extra work.

2. I'm better than anyone, I can figure out how to play this job w/o asking around.

I personally love this one, always makes me laugh.

3. I'm so good, that, while I didn't earn sh*t because I was PL'd to 50 in my static LS, I don't need to take advice from others either.

Dunno how your ls works but in any ls static I have ever been in we get advice from people in the ls on how to play and from research and exp.

4. I'm only playing roughly 40% of the potential my job has to offer cause I didn't learn sh*t since I was half asleep with the exp leeched from PL.

And everyone pld is playing at 10% of the potential without aegis, hauteclaire, excailber, bahamut's mask, etc.

That probably describes a lot of this "LS onry mentality" that I see players go around in this game. Fact of the matter is, most of them suck horsesh*t and if there was a full blown pvp option in FFXI like in WoW, you can bet the mansion that most of these players will be the one eating dirt every single time...

Aye alot of players would but the problem on shitty players isn't the ls only people. Some people no matter what can't play x,y,z jobs good, hell someplayer just suck no matter what. Not everyone can be the best.

[Armando]

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And everyone pld is playing at 10% of the potential without aegis, hauteclaire, excailber, bahamut's mask, etc.

Meh, you know what Aeni meant. I'd consider having those items playing at more than 100% potential. Most of them aren't necessary or expected of the average player. Aeni meant 40% of what the average player should be capable of.