Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

[Malacite]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

It's sticking in my head that Meditate used to either be on a one minute timer or else it gave back 100TP with a /sam subjob, I can't remember which, but I do remember it got changed about the same time as TP return on WS. Regardless, if this was still the case pretty much anyone /sam would dominate on Colibri camps. Sure Sam has a high polearm skill, I think so does War, so you get piercing boosts, but any ToAU mob is pretty weak so I'd think drk/sam, or anything /sam would dominate.

Medidtate was originally on a 1 minute timer. And DRG and SAM would be king because of being able to spam penta. SAM in particular would be able to do it non-stop, and with the piercing bonus and seigan + third eye, well, they'd just be going to town on everything.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Except when its WARx4 or MNKx3 excluding other jobs, then its not any better. Or when people remove to budge from Whitegate w/o a BRD.

BLM did manaburns exclusively by choice before, but now its just as much about neccessity if they want to see EXP faster than soloing it.

First sentence: Much rarer than it is common.

Second sentence: Huh? Are you saying BLMs need to manaburn to get fast exp or that the average merit party is just as exclusive as a manaburn? If #1: it's about a 50% different(5kish to 10kish); if #2: Um, no.

[Lmnop]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

First sentence: right on the money with most people I come into contact with in PUGs.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Server milage may vary. The trends that are dominant on one server may not be so on another. WARx4 has been commonplace on Titan since the RNG nerf and only got stronger with ToA, so from where I'm standing, its basically the same problem as before. They might as well have done nothing to BLM and RNG in the first place because the song has not changed, just the jobs.

Do non-WAR PTs happen? Sure, but just try to get a leader to not look for one and get a DRG, RNG, SAM or THF to a GC camp in Thickets instead. That setup is actually pretty nice in that camp and available most of the time, but they'll still try to invite a WAR or MNK instead.

[Amele]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Server milage may vary. The trends that are dominant on one server may not be so on another. WARx4 has been commonplace on Titan since the RNG nerf and only got stronger with ToA, so from where I'm standing, its basically the same problem as before. They might as well have done nothing to BLM and RNG in the first place because the song has not changed, just the jobs.
Do non-WAR PTs happen? Sure, but just try to get a leader to not look for one and get a DRG, RNG, SAM or THF to a GC camp in Thickets instead. That setup is actually pretty nice in that camp and available most of the time, but they'll still try to invite a WAR or MNK instead.

Hades checking in here, the popular trend here is an even mix of mnk/nin and nin/war with the occasional third job thrown in (usually thf/nin or war/nin, sometimes sam/rng ) most pickup groups are 4/2 but most of the best ones are 3/3. (part of this is that there's never enough mages seeking at 75, I still get invites without my flag up a couple nights a week on whitemage, invariably JP though.. NA seems more willing to go 4/2 on hades)

I'm starting to think that trends on servers are heavily dependent on who some of the consensus 'best' players are; as well as a few other factors (ninja has always been the 'in' tank job on hades, ever since the server went up.) and there's increasing numbers of monks in many of the NA circles because of salvage now.

so if your 'he's awesome' players happen to be warriors who merit on war, then that'll have an effect on how many warriors are around. if your awesome players are ninjas, and so on.

I wouldn't be surprised to find servers with higher relic counts to have a trend of trying to find a relic wielder (regardless of job - well, ok. except claustrum)

popular camps are nyzul, thickets, caerdarva (although mostly <75), and to a lesser extent: mt. Z and mamook.

I don't typically see people camping at dvucca but that might be my playtime.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Pick-up groups are such fail, what do you think LSes are for?

Either way, at 75 there are more or at least just as much "other melees" than there is WAR and MNK. If WARs or MNKs are picky, then don't invite them. Also, don't camp on superior parties.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Pick-up groups are such fail, what do you think LSes are for?

Aren't you then missing the whole point of a MMOG if you refuse to party with anyone outside of your LS? I agree in EQ I used to do this because the gear gap between my raiding guild members and the average PUG was so huge that partying with outsiders in hard zones was usually a painful experience, however, that's not really an issue in FFXI as the top end gear still makes little to no difference to the average exp party.

[Lmnop]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Pick-up groups are such fail, what do you think LSes are for?
Either way, at 75 there are more or at least just as much "other melees" than there is WAR and MNK. If WARs or MNKs are picky, then don't invite them. Also, don't camp on superior parties.

Oh right, LSs. Yeah, we outright refuse to make LS merit parties unless we have a BRD (or COR).

Is that the answer you were looking for? :3

I've said it before: Bards are overpowered through merit of being so incredibly essential. But that's neither here nor there.

This is a guess, but it seems that if anyone on my server has 2 jobs at 75, about 50% of them have WAR as one of them, about 20% have NIN, and another 20% have BRD. Standing at the AH puts you surrounded by 80 Haubers and 54 SHs.

PUGs are still inevitable for most people leveling new jobs to 75. I guess the idea is that the "cooler" people who you'd like to be meriting with will inevitably fall into the same LS as you (or at least your flist).

[Aksannyi]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

We have all the ingredients for a perfect LS merit party, but we hardly ever merit together. For one, we're not always on at the same time, and for two, they think that I enjoy main healing or something.

[Amele]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

the gear gap between my raiding guild members and the average PUG was so huge that partying with outsiders in hard zones was usually a painful experience, however, that's not really an issue in FFXI as the top end gear still makes little to no difference to the average exp party.

uh.. what? how often do you do pickup in XI? there's a *huge* (potential) gear gap and it's anything but little to no difference. (the difference in XI is that -everyone- needs to be good before you start getting that mythical 20k/hr, and even then you're dependent on your puller.)


(I'm not saying that only people in hnm are worthwhile. but I am saying that there's a large gear gap between a player who has/is hnm'd and is decked with the 'best' items, and your typical wal-mart DD.)

edit: Aksannyi, tag me sometime if you like; we can do a brd+whm+rdm backline.

[hongman]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

We have all the ingredients for a perfect LS merit party, but we hardly ever merit together. For one, we're not always on at the same time, and for two, they think that I enjoy main healing or something.

All I know is main healing now in meripo. Sad isnt it.

Save for Mamool, I can throw a few enfeebs.

[Sevv]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Meriting is only fun if you do it with friends and joke around lol.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Yeah like MNKs coming in full AF.

HILARIOUS LAWL LAWL LAWL.

Seriously tho, meriting shouldn't be a headache, but a lot of times it's more trouble than it's worth. There is no need for me to need to take a day of from exp after a merit pt.

In other news, I capped out Group I merits! Yay Me! Now for Enmity merits..

[Sevv]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

Yeah like MNKs coming in full AF.
HILARIOUS LAWL LAWL LAWL.
Seriously tho, meriting shouldn't be a headache, but a lot of times it's more trouble than it's worth. There is no need for me to need to take a day of from exp after a merit pt.
In other news, I capped out Group I merits! Yay Me! Now for Enmity merits..

lol which way you doing emnity O.o

[Amele]

Re: Battle system adjustment 8/14/07

I'd assume + since his mainjob is redmage and his second is paladin.

(rdm/nin tanks gogogo!)