The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

[Mhurron]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

ya know, you could give SE some credit. Just because people want new jobs doesn't mean SE will throw them crap just for the sake of throwing them crap.

PUP.

[Murphie]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

ya know, you could give SE some credit. Just because people want new jobs doesn't mean SE will throw them crap just for the sake of throwing them crap. They haven't done that yet...with the exception of Choco racing which was rushed due to public outcry anyway and is far from complete...so why is it ok to assume they would start now?

*When*, not if, SE adds new jobs, they will be well thought out and 'unique' in their execution, just like the last seven new jobs they've added over the years. And other then some people saying 'there's enough jobs' no one has ever given any real reason for SE to not add any more jobs. In fact everything people are saying now is the same stuff they said before ToAU was released...and that didn't stop SE from adding three unique and interesting jobs into the game.

Ok, we get it, some people don't like the idea of new jobs. But SE obviously doesn't feel that way.

I don't know about these mysterious "some people", but I never had a problem with the TOAU jobs being introduced. That said, IMO at least, they only got it partly right. COR and BLU are great. PUP? Not so much. As Mhurron pointed out in another thread, it was a half-baked idea that never really got finished correctly. Why? Because SE is kind of out of ideas on the job front.

[Murphie]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

I'm surprised there's no discussion of them adding a new race. I know it doesn't really fit with the lore of this expansion, but I'd still kind of like to see one or two.

Why? Tired of the way your current mules look?

[Tivul]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Why? Tired of the way your current mules look?

No...just thought it might be kind of interesting to see something new thrown in. I'm just giving my opinion of what I'd like to see, you don't have to be sarcastic with your response...and besides, it would open up new starter zones for returning players to explore, give others with higher levels new areas to check out.

[Murphie]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

So again, something new with no rhyme or reason. New just for the sake of being new.

I'm sure the higher leveled players are dying for new zones with mobs leveled 1-10 in them. Nothing says "exciting content" like a zone you can outlevel in an afternoon.

[Tivul]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

So again, something new with no rhyme or reason. New just for the sake of being new.

I'm sure the higher leveled players are dying for new zones with mobs leveled 1-10 in them. Nothing says "exciting content" like a zone you can outlevel in an afternoon.

Murphie, I'm sorry if my opinions of what I'd like to see don't mesh in perfect with your little vision of how an online game should be, but you don't have to be a complete jackass to everyone who gives their views on what they'd like to see in the game.

The ability to respect others' thoughts wouldn't hurt. Maybe I wanna make a new alt, and maybe I want it to be somewhere other than San d'Oria, Bastok, or Windurst. SE are great story tellers, I'm sure they could tie it in somehow. And yeah, it's new for the sake of being new. That's the point.

[Feba]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

PUP.

Your babies, can I have them?

[Murphie]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Yes, my problem with people asking for new things just for the sake of new things has something to do with my "little vision of how an online game should be". How silly of me not to have realized.

I respect people's thoughts (the word you're looking for is opinions) when they have some basis in logic and reality. But if you're just saying they should add things because you think they would be nifty, and damn the consequences, or the logistics of having the new content make sense, then there's not much for me to respect there.

[Tivul]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Yes, my problem with people asking for new things just for the sake of new things has something to do with my "little vision of how an online game should be". How silly of me not to have realized.

I respect people's thoughts (the word you're looking for is opinions) when they have some basis in logic and reality. But if you're just saying they should add things because you think they would be nifty, and damn the consequences, or the logistics of having the new content make sense, then there's not much for me to respect there.

Alright then please, let me ask you: what could the consequences possibly be for adding a new race or two?

Y'know what though, maybe I should apologize. It is rather dumb to add nifty things to games. I mean, it's completely stupid to give people more options when creating a new character. Why in God's name would I ever want more variety? What the hell was I thinking? It's basically beyond the realm of possibility to add new classes (when just about every other MMO has added them) and it's completely unrealistic to add new races (another feature just about every other game has had.)

So from what I can tell, you're right. I hope they add an expansion that doesn't provide anything new to the game. Maybe they can just release it and re-release some of the old classes with the exact same names and armor sets and just say they're new? Or wait, I have another idea, let's re-release some of the same armor.

It's called an expansion cause it ADDS ON to things. I'd be real curious to hear what you'd like to hear for this expansion. Maybe the ability to eat food for buffs.......oh wait a sec....

[Mhurron]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Alright then please, let me ask you: what could the consequences possibly be for adding a new race or two?

Completely screwing up the story thats been woven for 5 years now.

You can respect an opinion while at the same time saying it's complete garbage. You're asking for no one to voice a dissenting opinion, not respect them.

[fallenintoshadows]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Murph, Tivul:

In support, adding a new race would add to the customization options and therefore compete better (better, not greatly) with other games that offer more customization options for your character, e.g WoW Not that I particularly like WoW, but here it is a good example because you can make your character more your own seeing as you can customize the models more.

However, SE may be great story tellers but I'm pretty sure that if they were to add a new race, veteran players would not want to be fobbed off with some badly thought of excuse as to why there is suddenly a new race. There is already a story in place explaining the 5 races and how they are all linked together, ading a new race would not fit in well with the already existing story.

Lastly, everyone is entitled to their opinions so let them voice them, forums are for discussion after all. However, your opinions will be taken more seriously if you can back them up with some good ideas or reasons to support them.

[Tivul]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Completely screwing up the story thats been woven for 5 years now.

You can respect an opinion while at the same time saying it's complete garbage. You're asking for no one to voice a dissenting opinion, not respect them.

I would've been full on if he could've given me a strong reason as opposed to simply making a sarcastic comment. And yes, the story is five years old, but SE couldn't have these new races emerge mysteriously or through some turn of events? I dunno, it just seems hard to believe.

Edit: Alright Fallen, thank you. That's all I needed to hear.

[Feba]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

Completely screwing up the story thats been woven for 5 years now.

You can respect an opinion while at the same time saying it's complete garbage. You're asking for no one to voice a dissenting opinion, not respect them.

So that's a "No"?

[Murphie]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

You'll figure out that sarcasm thing one of these days, champ.

Who would a new player race benefit? New players? Masochistic old players who want to throw out years of work and start from scratch just so they can play a different race?

Mostly just people who want to swap out a couple of their mules.

Not to mention the fact that the whole idea behind the five races of Vanadiel is established by the mythology of the world. The only thing you could make a player race without completely re-writing that mythology is beastmen, or aliens. Both are kind of sucky choices, IMO. Others may disagree. I know a lot of people clamor for beastmen races in discussions like these.

Anyway. You can add a lot of content to the game without adding jobs or races. CoP added a considerable amount to the game (zones, missions, items) without job or race additions. TOAU added a lot beyond the three new jobs. Suggesting that objections to poorly thought out new jobs, or new races that aren't going to be anything but a novelty for most of us is the same as objections to new content is just ridiculous.

[Tivul]

Re: The OFFICIAL "Wings of the Goddess" @ E3 2007 Thread!

You'll figure out that sarcasm thing one of these days, champ.

Who would a new player race benefit? New players? Masochistic old players who want to throw out years of work and start from scratch just so they can play a different race?

Mostly just people who want to swap out a couple of their mules.

Not to mention the fact that the whole idea behind the five races of Vanadiel is established by the mythology of the world. The only thing you could make a player race without completely re-writing that mythology is beastmen, or aliens. Both are kind of sucky choices, IMO. Others may disagree. I know a lot of people clamor for beastmen races in discussions like these.

Anyway. You can add a lot of content to the game without adding jobs or races. CoP added a considerable amount to the game (zones, missions, items) without job or race additions. TOAU added a lot beyond the three new jobs. Suggesting that objections to poorly thought out new jobs, or new races that aren't going to be anything but a novelty for most of us is the same as objections to new content is just ridiculous.

Alright then, I'll give you that. I did not know that the races played such a huge part in the mythos and I apologize. However, it would've been nice if you could've said that from the start as opposed to making a one-line comment.

Nonetheless, I still think they could do a bit with Time Mages in a sense of making them a dedicated crowd control and debuffing class.