Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

[Aeolus]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

Are they holding the monsters for days or something? Whats wrong with holding a monster for an hour or so till your linkshell get there, presuming its HNM they are holding?

[Sevv]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

Are they holding the monsters for days or something? Whats wrong with holding a monster for an hour or so till your linkshell get there, presuming its HNM they are holding?

Its against the TOS, grief tactics. Otherwise Player A could set repop timers so he is home every time or sets the timers so that player B will never have a shot at said nm.

[Kaickul]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

i can't believe people still use this tool

I can. People can be that stupid...

[Rai]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

"- Instances of areas or monster holding
May 23, Approx. 1000 cases"

This is pretty simple, it's pop time shifting. It is done to change the re-pop window to be more advantageous to JP players or NA players.

[Sevv]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

"- Instances of areas or monster holding
May 23, Approx. 1000 cases"
This is pretty simple, it's pop time shifting. It is done to change the re-pop window to be more advantageous to JP players or NA players.

Ive seen 20+ people get banned from holding one of KA's pop holder before they changed the drop to r/e. Usually rmts so they could bot the claim

[Rai]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

Yeah it can happen at any NM that drops an item people want.

Often happens after a big update where all the timers on NMs are reset. People will log out before an update at the pop location of the NM/HNM. Log in after the update and get 1st claim on the NM/HNM and then hold it until it's next window would be in their "prime time." or time most of their LS will be on.

[Aeolus]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

So it is actually people doing it for hours and hours? Not just 1-2.

[Gobo]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

Are they holding the monsters for days or something? Whats wrong with holding a monster for an hour or so till your linkshell get there, presuming its HNM they are holding?

Its the original reason that Rage timers were added to HNMs. People would hold for 1-6 hours so that the pop times would perpetually be in the same time slot, making it easier for some linkshells to claim and not for others. Some would hold for 12+ just to push into other time zones and out of others. Holding even for a bit is pretty annoying, since people want to go do other things instead of seeing if a group wipes.

[Sevv]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

So it is actually people doing it for hours and hours? Not just 1-2.

Its grief after 45 min of taking off less then like 5% health or so, i feel thats about right if your dealing damage. On Hnms/Hnm PH (like ka's crabs) its alot shorter.

[Rai]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

it is one of the reasons SE added the Zerk abilitiy of some NM/HNMS. But they did not add the Zerk ability to all of them.

I have heard and seen it to a degree, but I don't stand around and watch these things take place.

To a degree I also imagine it would go to general "fairness" if you claim a NM/HNM you should have the people to kill it, or at the least have the people on their way. If another group with the numbers to kill is sitting their waiting and a very small group is holding in excess of 20 minutes I have no problem with a GM showing up and warping the tanks/kiters/sleepers to their HP.

[hongman]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

First time I have heard of holding tbh!

[Telera]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

To a degree I also imagine it would go to general "fairness" if you claim a NM/HNM you should have the people to kill it, or at the least have the people on their way. If another group with the numbers to kill is sitting their waiting and a very small group is holding in excess of 20 minutes I have no problem with a GM showing up and warping the tanks/kiters/sleepers to their HP.

I agree, and that's how I've always seen it. If you're going to claim an HNM, then your people either need to be there, or be on their way and arrive very shortly. If they aren't, then shame on you for not being ready, or shame on them for not being there when they said they would be. Either way, suck it up and try tomorrow.

That said, this is the first time I remember seeing banning for holding in the list of grievances. Interesting.

But the pos-hackers/speed-hackers... haven't they learned yet? haha. They can see you. And they will get you. It's pretty easy to see that one. Unlike some of the other types of botting and hacking.

[Olorin401]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

Haven't seen that listed before

This happens quite often with HNM linkshells that compete for the same claims.

I personally didn't know this was a TOS violation - I only joined a HNMLS for the first time about two weeks ago. We went to camp Fafnir, didn't get the claim but the group that did held it for about 10 minutes before they set hate and took it down. The LS leaders were spamming chat asking us to GM the other group.

[Sevv]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

This happens quite often with HNM linkshells that compete for the same claims.
I personally didn't know this was a TOS violation - I only joined a HNMLS for the first time about two weeks ago. We went to camp Fafnir, didn't get the claim but the group that did held it for about 10 minutes before they set hate and took it down. The LS leaders were spamming chat asking us to GM the other group.

Well Olorin let me personally welcome you HNM's.

[Mhurron]

Re: Accounts Banned (05/23/2007)

This happens quite often with HNM linkshells that compete for the same claims.
I personally didn't know this was a TOS violation - I only joined a HNMLS for the first time about two weeks ago. We went to camp Fafnir, didn't get the claim but the group that did held it for about 10 minutes before they set hate and took it down. The LS leaders were spamming chat asking us to GM the other group.

GM's are not supposed to be a weapon to get what you want. 10 minutes is reasonable. 30 min, not so much.