June Version Update (04/27/2007)

[Cotners]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

SE wouldn't have anywhere to go with BLM's after they added Ultima.
It would be nice to merit dark potency.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

"New merit abilities" had better mean Group 2 for BLU, PUP and COR.

RDM is supposed to be the master of Enfeebling (well now they are) but RDM gets one spell that no one else does. That doesn't sound like much of a mastery to me.

Jobs having AoE versions of what RDM has aren't always the perk RDMs think they are.

[nanatsu]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

I just want FFT style Renzokuken for my mnk. Is that too much to ask? Huh? HUH?! Also...can I use my staff like a real martial artist would? And not like an old mildly retarded farmer trying to beat a turnip with a stick?

Actually I'm a lot more interested in the new merit abilities. Although I'm more than fairly sure they mean Group 2 for cor/pup/blu

[nanatsu]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

"New merit abilities" had better mean Group 2 for BLU, PUP and COR.
Phalnax, Gravity, Refresh (single-target) and all those enspells.
Yeah, just one no one else has.

Phalanx and Refresh are not enfeebles. Neither are Enspells. We're talking about enfeebles.

[Kael]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

SE wouldn't have anywhere to go with BLM's after they added Ultima.
It would be nice to merit dark potency.

There are always possibilities. Giving BLM Ultima wouldn't prevent SE from making additions / changes to the job later on. Though, we probably wont ever see it happen.

[Malacite]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

I just want FFT style Renzokuken for my mnk. Is that too much to ask?

You mean "Punch Arts" >_ > "Renzokuken" is Squall's Limit Break from FF8.


I hope the new merits aren't limited to just COR PUP and BLU (kitten is right though in that they had damn well better be getting category 2 merits)

Maybe we'll see category 3 merits? Or an increase to category 2 options? I'd like to be able to merit abilities like Seigan and Shield Mastery!

[Omni]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

I'd like to see MNK get something. I dont think they have had any adjusts other than getting subtle blow iirc.

[nanatsu]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

You mean "Punch Arts" >_ > "Renzokuken" is Squall's Limit Break from FF8.

No I mean Renzokuken. Renzokuken is the Japanese Name for the Repeating Fist move in FFT. Which is why I said FFT style Renzokuken, and not FF8 style Renzokuken. I was very specific about which one I was talking about >_>

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

Phalanx and Refresh are not enfeebles. Neither are Enspells. We're talking about enfeebles.

He was implying that RDM has no exclusives save for Gravity. That's what I was responding to. Your discussion might be about enfeebles, but that statement was not strictly talking about enfeebles.

Additionally, why does God need a starship?

I honestly think there are more pressing job issues out there than what frivolities RDMs want.

[Mhurron]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

He was implying that RDM has no exclusives save for Gravity. That's what I was responding to.

I implied nothing. I said straight out unique, useful enfeebles. Of the enfeebles, the only unique one is Gravity.

I honestly think there are more pressing job issues out there than what frivolities RDMs want.

Well your thoughts have as much weight as mine so I'm going to care as much about what you think as you do about what I would like to see.

[nanatsu]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

He was implying that RDM has no exclusives save for Gravity. That's what I was responding to. Your discussion might be about enfeebles, but that statement was not strictly talking about enfeebles.
Additionally, why does God need a starship?
I honestly think there are more pressing job issues out there than what frivolities RDMs want.

"More unique (and useful damnit) enfeebles for RDM!"

If you're not talking about Mhurron, then you can avoid the rest of this and say that I lack reading comprehension. He meant unique enfeebles. And not just the spells. The status effects. Everyone and their mom can paralyze, poison, blind, and slow on their main job. (it's an exaggeration but you get my point) With RDM being master of enfeebling they should have more enfeebles that no one else has, enfeebles no one else can do. That was his point.

And if you want to discount a RDM wishlist discussion then go right ahead. Feel free to start a serious discussion about the gameplay issues of FFXI. It's really easy. hit the new topic button, type in "Serious discussion about FFXI gameplay issues." And then make a post about your intent to talk about serious gameplay issues. Hell, you can even do it in this thread. Once you've done so I'll gladly discuss it with you.

EDIT: Was too slow. Looks like Mhurron can cover his own tushie. :p

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

I implied nothing. I said straight out unique, useful enfeebles. Of the enfeebles, the only unique one is Gravity.

Well your thoughts have as much weight as mine so I'm going to care as much about what you think as you do about what I would like to see.

OK, I'll hear you out. Why does RDM need more "unique, useful" enfeebles?

I think the only issue that needs to be addressed is what's boxed RDM in at high level since the beginning of ToA - weak mob defense. (aside: BLM also affected)

This has lead to an even larger number of NIN tanks in EXP, which is problematic for RDM in the sense that NIN and RDM enfeebs don't stack. And even if they could, the mobs go down too fast for it to really matter.

RDM's power has always been in granting a PT endurance through enfeebles as opposed to BRD giving PTs power instead of endurance.

Now PTs don't need endurance, they just need curing and want power.

That is the problem for RDM if there ever was one.

[Sabaron]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

BLU, COR, and PUP need merits.

PUP needs merits that do some of the following: 1. Make maneuver effects last longer (like a Seigan/Hasso switch or something) so they don't have to waste an additional second every 30 seconds to hit their maton up. It would also be nice if they could get some kind of ability that allows them to "fix" their puppet (like a Puppet "Raise" command--you're puppet is back up and running, but weakened for say 5 minutes).

If RDM needs anything, it's Refresh II or Refreshra.

SMN needs Merit Pacts for Diabolos and Fenrir.

[Mhurron]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

OK, I'll hear you out. Why does RDM need more "unique, useful" enfeebles?
I think the only issue that needs to be addressed is what's boxed RDM in at high level since the beginning of ToA - weak mob defense. (aside: BLM also affected)

Well, I think I said it best a few hours ago:

RDM is supposed to be the master of Enfeebling (well now they are) but RDM gets one spell that no one else does. That doesn't sound like much of a mastery to me.

ToAU mob breakage and general messing up of how people get exp is a completely different matter. If RDM is supposed to be a master of enfeebles, make it that way. Don't make RDM just WHM/BLM light. It's always irked me that Ninjitsu enfeebles overwrite mine, it made me waste MP or sit and do nothing but Refresh and Haste. Well guess what, if RDM had some unique enfeebles, that problem also goes away. Let the Ninja paralyze and slow the mob to generate hate, I would have other things to do in addition. WHM wants to skill their enfeebling. Go to town, I could have things to do that they can't.

WHM is the best healer in the game, they get more tools then RDM that makes them such
BLM is the best nuking job, they get more tools then RDM that makes them such
RDM is supposed to be the best enfeebling job. They have Gravity. WHM and NIN have all the other spells. Hell, BLU probably has most of them as well if they wanted.

If RDM needs anything, it's Refresh II or Refreshra.

Think bigger. Refresh is fine. -ga spells of what we already have is often useless, and hell further removes differentiation between jobs. Different enfeebles, let RDM focus on what they supposedly do best. Let me make that damn mobs life a living hell. I want to make it long for death.

Seriously, job differentiation is becoming just AF.

[nanatsu]

Re: June Version Update (04/27/2007)

Hell, BLU probably has most of them as well if they wanted.

BLU has what RDM has and more. Disease, Stun, and Terror as well as every single enfeeble RDM has, plus a couple of stat down moves thrown in for good measure. They've even got Bad Breath. That's not meant as a cheap insult.