OFFICIAL FFXI Windowed Mode Support Confirmed!

[KamuroIshigami]

Re: OFFICIAL FFXI Windowed Mode Support Confirmed!

Thank you, Square-Enix, for giving me a scaled down version of a plug-in that I already have. I appreciate your willingness (after several years) to provide me with an official windowing alternative that doesn't violate your Terms of Service.

I look forward to future implementations of functionality that is already readily available as third-party software. I wholly agree with your stance that vendor lock-in is beneficial to the community as a whole, and that you should dictate exactly how your game is played.

It is, after all, your ball, and you can take it home whenever you wish. We're all lucky to be playing with it at all!

Cute.... your sincerity is so convincing, I think I am drowning in a sea of sarcasm.

[aozora]

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Cute.... your sincerity is so convincing, I think I am drowning in a sea of sarcasm.

A little too much over the top, eh? Sorry about that.

I don't know, it just seems to highlight the absurdity of the situation.

To beat a tired horse (not dead yet!), Blizzard was able to effectively create a fully supported platform for this kind of stuff in WoW - eliminating the need to use potentially risky third party tools, or violating any ToS. I think this has worked extremely well for them.

SEs official stance makes it all too easy to conflate the use of any third-party software with cheating. Circumventing game mechanics for personal gain (fleetool, NM claimbots, etc.) are obvious exploits. But tools to display in game information? Or a friggen mini-map? Comon.

Hm. This kind of reminds me of the "Not all network hackers are malicious" argument.

[Karinya]

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Displaying in game information *not normally available to the player* is indeed cheating. Blizzard made very specific decisions about what information would and would not be available to players, and including information in an addon that wouldn't normally be available to a player is something I'm pretty sure they would regard as cheating. (For example, an addon that made monsters appear on the minimap even for players without the relevant tracking abilities, or allowed you to see stealthed enemies.)

SE also made decisions about what information to make available to players, and some people circumvent those decisions and say they're not cheating. I don't get it.

Displaying the same information in a different form would be harmless, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?

[Omniblast]

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A little too much over the top, eh? Sorry about that.

I don't know, it just seems to highlight the absurdity of the situation.

To beat a tired horse (not dead yet!), Blizzard was able to effectively create a fully supported platform for this kind of stuff in WoW - eliminating the need to use potentially risky third party tools, or violating any ToS. I think this has worked extremely well for them.

SEs official stance makes it all too easy to conflate the use of any third-party software with cheating. Circumventing game mechanics for personal gain (fleetool, NM claimbots, etc.) are obvious exploits. But tools to display in game information? Or a friggen mini-map? Comon.

Hm. This kind of reminds me of the "Not all network hackers are malicious" argument.

It is clearly because of the two different types of mindset here.
One hails from the far east.
One is from western philsophy.

Had the entire program / game been designed on ps2, would the issue arise that created quite a stir?

Had the entire program / game been designed on pc, would the issue arise that created quite a stir?

Remember, originally this game was designed on ps2, not pc. If it stuck with consoles only, there would have been no problem with anyone playing ffxi, less be distracted by the use of a more powerful machine, until the xbox 360 came along.

[Anaki]

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didn't windower have a thing in it that would prevent the game from crashing if you are missing a .dat file?

if "displaying" ingame info "should" be fully legal then. are you telling me to make and use a lot bot? since there is a way to know what the next /random will be when u hit it if you know the correct variables. its just showing "data" thats in the game and not normally shown to us.

[Rostum]

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didn't windower have a thing in it that would prevent the game from crashing if you are missing a .dat file?
if "displaying" ingame info "should" be fully legal then. are you telling me to make and use a lot bot? since there is a way to know what the next /random will be when u hit it if you know the correct variables. its just showing "data" thats in the game and not normally shown to us.

As far as I know, there has not been any way to detect /random's due to the way they are calculated and processed. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I'm pretty certain there's no bots or ways to predict it.

[cippycup]

Re: OFFICIAL FFXI Windowed Mode Support Confirmed!

A little too much over the top, eh? Sorry about that.<br />
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I don't know, it just seems to highlight the absurdity of the situation. <br />
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To beat a tired horse (not dead yet!), Blizzard was able to effectively create a fully supported platform for this kind of stuff in WoW - eliminating the need to use potentially risky third party tools, or violating any ToS. I think this has worked extremely well for them.<br />
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SEs official stance makes it all too easy to conflate the use of any third-party software with cheating. Circumventing game mechanics for personal gain (fleetool, NM claimbots, etc.) are obvious exploits. But tools to display in game information? Or a friggen mini-map? Comon.<br />
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Hm. This kind of reminds me of the &quot;Not all network hackers are malicious&quot; argument.

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Hahaha I find this funny and pointless at the same time your right its just like "Not all network hackers are malicious argument".

Did SE come out with a window feature late? yes, they did.. But to say WoW is better at circumventing the use of hacks is a damn joke. Its more then a damn joke its a f**king funny joke. WoW has been plagued with hacks since the release of the game. WoW has been the only game that had the entire server side code stolen from the server via the flaws in the client. There is bots in WoW that just level, farm gold, teleport, fly, god mode etc. etc.

As far as violating ToS lets talk about WoW's newest expansion.... Blizzard should be beaten with a metal bat for that atrocity of an expansion. They effectively broke every thing on the release of it. I for one ended up quiting the game because of how stupid the game has gotten.

When I did play ffxi long time ago it was a very hard game but enjoyable, WoW on the other hand is a game that was ok but very easy in comparison. But I played it to 60 got epic mounts some of the best armor in the game. And then boom expansion and now everything is worthless & stats are broken. Plus I never seen the Gold Sellers in FFXI using the shout channel to advertise their gold selling sites or ebay auctions.

So yes continue to play your game of WoW that is broken not really a challenge and has more hacks then FFXI. Or just stop whining about how SE doing something right for once.

As far as beating the Tired Horse I give you my WoW Expansion Burning Crusade tied to a stick with my Druid to beat the WoW horse with. "Not Dead Yet lets see how much more we can bludgeon it to death" Said the Blizzard crew.

I looked other games Lineage no one plays.. Vanguard sucks.. Aion is months away... WoW is a joke... Guild wars is to damn boring.. so FFXI is looking good to play even tho I would have to start all over again. Not a problem for me I enjoy the challenge, don't you?? or " Are You Not Prepared !! " (qoute from the WoW expasion for your FF players that don't know. should of been hiyas we be blizzard we suck but we tricked everyone into thinking we have something good.)


So go enjoy those He-Man graphics and let Skeltor eat your crouch with his lockjaw.


He-Man


WoW
(AKosygin Edit: See attachment below.)


looks about the same blizzard must of broke the bank on the graphical idea. See you in FFXI peace.... btw "You Are Not Prepared" ... sucks as a catch phase lets end this with a good one

"Behold my might, I shall rip the flesh from your bones and let the fields run red with the blood of your friends the only then you shall know death by my hand" Shadow Lord FFXI Dynamis Xarcabard

i'm out time to make a taru and hold up my toothpick of a sword and yell "By The Power of Grayskull I have the Power to not be in graphical world of suck"

[Murphie]

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Eh, it's a style choice. Neither is inherently better.

[aozora]

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Displaying in game information *not normally available to the player* is indeed cheating. [...] (For example, an addon that made monsters appear on the minimap even for players without the relevant tracking abilities, or allowed you to see stealthed enemies.)

Perhaps I was too general in with the term "information." I was referring more to displaying available info in a different form.

In your example, that addon is not merely displaying in game information; it's an exploit - precisely because that information is only available to some classes.

Were it an add-on that just put widescan on the HUD, that would be more in line of what I'm referring to - a better way to display available info. Minimap. Abilitiy timers. Etc.

Edit: But again, it's a matter of where you draw the line. What constitutes an exploit over a hack. But SEs official policy is that there is no line - all third party tools are exploits. It's their ball.

Personally, I'm just curious why there are those that agree with this line of thinking, especially when it's been shown that affording MMO players more freedom is a good thing in terms of sales.

[aozora]

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It is clearly because of the two different types of mindset here.
One hails from the far east.
One is from western philsophy.

Had the entire program / game been designed on ps2, would the issue arise that created quite a stir?

Had the entire program / game been designed on pc, would the issue arise that created quite a stir?

Remember, originally this game was designed on ps2, not pc. If it stuck with consoles only, there would have been no problem with anyone playing ffxi, less be distracted by the use of a more powerful machine, until the xbox 360 came along.

I think it is a difference of philosophy - but not because of the platforms. That is a red herring. The argument of "Oh, such tools are not fair because the PS2 user base can't use them" is also rather absurd.

Again, look at WoW. I keep bringing it up because it doesn't have this conflict of ideals. There are a ton of different ways to reconfigure your UI to suit your tastes. By nature of this, these addons show different info to different people. But it is quite fair!

These addons are available to anyone - it'd be a players choice not to use them.

Similarly, it is the PS2 users choice to use a PS2. A PC version is available. So, again, it is fair, because they choose to play on a system that is not capable of these types of functionality

Really, this is more of conflict between those that agree with more top-down authoritarian views ("This is SEs game, they dictate how this game should be played") versus more western "I pay to play how I want to play."

[Aksannyi]

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Question: was this new S/E windower supposed to be out with this update? For some reason that got into my head and now I'm looking all over the internet trying to find some information, but nothing appears to be out there.

Must not be set to happen until later. ; ;

[Omniblast]

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I think it is a difference of philosophy - but not because of the platforms. That is a red herring. The argument of "Oh, such tools are not fair because the PS2 user base can't use them" is also rather absurd.

Again, look at WoW. I keep bringing it up because it doesn't have this conflict of ideals. There are a ton of different ways to reconfigure your UI to suit your tastes. By nature of this, these addons show different info to different people. But it is quite fair!

These addons are available to anyone - it'd be a players choice not to use them.

Similarly, it is the PS2 users choice to use a PS2. A PC version is available. So, again, it is fair, because they choose to play on a system that is not capable of these types of functionality

Really, this is more of conflict between those that agree with more top-down authoritarian views ("This is SEs game, they dictate how this game should be played") versus more western "I pay to play how I want to play."

Wow looks like crap. Sorry no matter how you slice it it's still crap. You ain't gonna get prime rib outta crap. It's a moot point really. Let's stop comparing ffxi to wow. seriously stop it. You like wow so much, then please, go play wow, stop posting on ffxi boards.

Granted ffxi ui could use a work over.

[eticket109]

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Question: was this new S/E windower supposed to be out with this update? For some reason that got into my head and now I'm looking all over the internet trying to find some information, but nothing appears to be out there.
Must not be set to happen until later. ; ;

No, they basically said it will be implemented in the future. Who knows when that will be.

[Aksannyi]

Re: OFFICIAL FFXI Windowed Mode Support Confirmed!

No, they basically said it will be implemented in the future. Who knows when that will be.

Oh, darn, I was really looking forward to that, too.

[raidenn]

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Err whats with the He-man picture?
A heavily muscled man in a pink shirt seems to be a effective cover for a rampaging man in leather straps and furry cod peice....