World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

Then the price of gil will go down. When there is an over inflated amount of gil in the economy, the price cost of gil will go down. Thus make it less profitable for them to move there, and thusly make them want to move out.

Your analysis does not address supply vs. demand.

The damage would already done to Asura (for example) in the form of hyperinflation. (Lest you feel sorry for poor RMT's, let me point out that demands for Gils will also increase in an inflationary economy--selling gils creates additional demand for buying Gils, in the long term.)

And, when the price for Gils goes down, they'll send the gils from Asura right back to other which ever server with the highest $/gil ratio, and do it again.

If I were working for SE, I'd make sure I'll have people look into people that were transfering large amounts of gil, or different # of mules from the same Content-ID changing servers. (16 mules with 500k each, level 1? Sorta suspicious no?) This is where STFU comes in and checks transfers out. Another way to weed out the good from the bad.

That would be good if S-E watches that. Then again, how many years did it pass before S-E implemented speed hack monitoring at popular NM/HNM camps? That seemed very sensible, too.

I do however think that a server merge would be benefitial. But would it really help a game that is dying for the past several years that much? If there is nothing to stop the death of FFXI, then it's time to move on.

I don't think we're ready for the digital graves, yet. ^_^; FFXI has survived WoW (and Guild Wars (sp?) with its no-subscription model, to a lesser extend) better than EQ. This game should be around for quite a while longer.

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And another thing, how would you specify that you want to be merged with another server, when 99% of the population would not want to go to that exact server that you wanted to go with? More ethical questions, more and more...

I don't think players should get to pick which server merges with which. Hopefully, S-E would just merge servers in such a way so which world has roughly the same number of players. It'll be some time, yet, before we need that--hopefully.

In any case, S-E can implement measures to mitigate possible damages. However, I wish they would just stop at picking world during character creation, instead of allowing on-demand migration of any sort. It's simpler not to implement a flawed idea instead of patching it to be less broken.

[moonglo]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

Starting March 8, 2007, players will be able to create new characters on the World of their choice.

Awesome! Now all those people who wanted to easily play with their friends/spouse/etc. won't have any trouble.

Finally, the development team is continuing their work on World selection by making preparations for a new service that will allow players to move their characters to different Worlds. Please keep a close watch on the Topics page for further updates on this exciting feature.

... This? Not so much. I have been wanting to move to another server and all, but this feature can get seriously abused if SE isn't careful. Imagine a player recieving a Shadow Ring/Mantle thanks to their HMLS and then hopping servers or a player trying to escape their bad reputation.

[Omniblast]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

Instead of moving our characters, I would like to have 1 copy of my main character go to another server. No gil copied over, and all items become exclusive. If I wanted to get new items, I'd have to farm or synth all over again from scratch, however my synth levels, job levels, would still remain.

I'm not saying that it's a more sensible idea, I'm saying it's just another idea.

Like others have said, maybe there will be a fee to move characters. I don't mean a gil fee, I mean a real $$$ fee. I do believe they implemented that for another game somewhere, but I don't quite remember what game that was.

Heck if I can pay $5.00 bucks to visit my friends in my old server, that'd be pretty cool. Then I'm done for the month, or whatever, pay another $5.00 to come back.

You know what they say, "Money talks and bullshit walks..."

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

I think you may have misunderstood.

His overall point was being able to pick a specific server doesn're really change much about the RMT situation. They can now pick their server, but then all they had to do was have a character planted on the server and then get world passes. Either way, RMT will get on the servers they want to, so giving players a choice is a benefit to players and changes nothing about the RMT.

I think S-E is finally caving into people's demand for Euro/NA/JP specific server, except they want to let the player sort out which is which, instead of telling us where to go. That's why they are letting us pick worlds to create characters on, and going to let us migrate on demand.

Well, I don't think NAs would be so adamant about the idea if JP players were so stuck on partying only with JP players. And vice versa - JPs have similar experiences with territorial NAs. There is culture shock and veiled racism on both side of the pond. I personally like the cultural exchange, but I don't like feeling I'm some second-class citizen for not being japanese.

In my early day as a WHM, I got kick in one of my first Valkurm PTs because I didn't speak Japanese. What language do I really need know other than that of your HP bar?

And there was a time an NA player flipped out at me for having Romanese Ninja macros. I like to have my character roleplay in macro, I don't really know Japanese, I just consult my JP friends that do on that sort of things I'd want my character to say in Japanese.

If everyone in my LS chose to migrate, I'd likely migrate with them. There would still be assholes on every server, but at least they'd be new assholes and not the ones I knew ritually backstabbed people to get where they are.

While I don't think the picking world on new character will have much of a (bad) impact, allowing migration on demand means any time you want, you can get away to new server with no one from the old server to reprimand you for bad behavior, and without the penalty of starting from scratch. It would be too tempting.

Its not any different than what commonly happens now. Join a HNMLS, get lots of points, bid those points all at once for the ubergear you wanted and... leave for a new HNMLS. There's always another one. People loan people they think are friends their gear, and that "friend" logs out with or sell that gear later without returning it. People do this and get away with it, seldom getting any damage to their reputation.

This change will enable cowards to be even bigger cowards. But it also allows players to find a server community they may be more comfortable in. It might inspire some HNMLS to go compete/merge with another on some other server. People could go join LSes with their friends on other servers without having to start over.

While the treacherous behavior would never really go away, this would give players the opportunity to shape a server or LS community more to their liking.

Think of it like this: There's lots of people on these very forums that would probably love to have the opportunity to play together and perhaps even form an FFXIOnline LS or a BlueGartyr LS one depending on the forums they visit. People would have to cut some ties, but they could still have a character on their original server and keep in touch with old friends.

[Murphie]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

It's cool for new players. I doubt I'd cough up the gil to transfer to a new server (I like Bahamut a lot), but if for instance, folks from FFXIO were going to all gather somewhere (that seems unlikely though) I'd consider it.

[Jei]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

I guess it's cool and all... but honestly, choosing server *was wanted * the most when game released. I don't think they are expecting that many new customers you know. Returning RMTs after mass banning is really my impression when I see this. Other wise, it would serve mainly to make their existing customer feel that S-E cares and give them what they always want. Whether they really care or not. Which sadly I don't have faith in them enough to think they do care. See how long has players been asking about dragon aery..... and they simply say they don't care.

[Murphie]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

The RMT already had no problems getting on any server they wanted. I don't see where that argument is coming from.

It does seem a bit "too little too late" but that's SE for you. You either roll with it or you don't.

[Ruz]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

I see many problems with this but the issue of gil-selling doesn't both me that much, I can get by whatever happens there.

I guess this just scares me, who will I lose?

Not going to lie to you but moving from what I have is of no interest to me. I would have rather there be a server merger then this.

Assuming players can still come back to their starting server we will see our roving friends again though it may damage friendships in the long run.

To anyone who says that people complain till they get what they want then they complain about changes you must not realize that some people are content with the current system. It doesn't mean that the people who are complaining now are the same people who pushed for this change.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

See how long has players been asking about dragon aery..... and they simply say they don't care.

Because Dragon's Aery is all that matters, right?

When will people come to accept there is no perfect solution for HNM camps? Especially if they're kept on 21-24 spawns and I don't see why SE would change that aspect. But they are making another way to fight Faffy now, amoung other NMs.

[Mhurron]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

It's cool for new players.

And for those that know more people on a fan site then they do on their current server. If someone offered me a decent LS and a group that wanted to have some fun I'd change servers as soon as I could.

[Murphie]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

And for those that know more people on a fan site then they do on their current server. If someone offered me a decent LS and a group that wanted to have some fun I'd change servers as soon as I could.

As I mentioned above, I'd do the same. There are quite a few people from here that I'd jump at the chance to be in an LS with.

[Akashimo]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

Maybe we should make a FFXI online ls with a poll thread on what server to gather to o.O;

[Gobo]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

You know if you don't like the idea, you could tell S-E. I mean, they are doing a better job of listening.


https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index.html


Personally I really don't care so much about either thing. If the World shifting thing happens, maybe my friend who World Shifted to Hades a long time ago can come back.

[Mhurron]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

There are quite a few people from here that I'd jump at the chance to be in an LS with.

I already asked if anyone wanted me

[neighbortaru]

Re: World Selection Made Easier! (03/02/2007)

Maybe we should make a FFXI online ls with a poll thread on what server to gather to o.O;

that sounds fun! :D