Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

[Kirsteena]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

The article is on World of Warcraft admittedly, but tbh, RMT over all online games - well just look at the figures for yourself. Translate it to FFXI, and yes they are making money.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5151916.stm

[hongman]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Wow (parden the pun)..

I didnt realise how big these guys were - which also makes me believe, RMT will never be shut down. They are too big - and if there are Gil Buyers (which there always will be) - there will be people willing to supply the demand.

I guess it doesnt hurt and is necessary though to still actively combat these guys. which STFU has been doing pretty well I think?!

[aozora]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Usage of third-party tools will not be tolerated within FINAL FANTASY XI, and we will continue to severely penalize any players found to be in violation of the PlayOnline Member Agreement.

versus

There is no official support for modifying the WoW interface. If you experience any issues with the interface after modifying it, you can disable any unofficial add-ons and changes in the AddOns menu at the character selection screen. Blizzard Technical Support cannot assist with setting up any kind of interface modification. However, you can find information for developing or installing add-ons in the UI & Macros Forum on the World of Warcraft website.


Two MMORPGS. One is hugely successful, with over 8 million users. The other one has roughly half a million users, and has never been terribly popular.

One is telling me where to find assistance, the others telling me what will not be tolerated under fear of severe penalty.

[fastcart]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

http://mtv.com/overdrive/?name=news&id=1545907

After watching this, I feel more for the employees, but I wish bad things on the employees. ;;

(I've been away for awhile, if this link is inappropriate somehow, just remove it.)

[Kirsteena]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

It isn't just IGE, there are lots of places to buy gil out there. IGE is just the most well known.

The task force is starting to hit hard imo. Hence the desperation of the fishbots recently. I mean, there has always been fish bots, but never so many as they are desperate to make money.

Sky on Bahamut also has a current fast turn over. Last batch got hit by the banstick. OK there are always new RMT, but the latest batch are a little - inept. They wiped to Ulli after bot claiming (they had a terrible pld who couldn't keep hate, blm Tier IVing from the start), cfh on it as well. Quick log out for us, and we went home with an autumnstone.

[Malevolent]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Usage of third-party tools will not be tolerated within FINAL FANTASY XI, and we will continue to severely penalize any players found to be in violation of the PlayOnline Member Agreement.

versus

There is no official support for modifying the WoW interface. If you experience any issues with the interface after modifying it, you can disable any unofficial add-ons and changes in the AddOns menu at the character selection screen. Blizzard Technical Support cannot assist with setting up any kind of interface modification. However, you can find information for developing or installing add-ons in the UI & Macros Forum on the World of Warcraft website.


Two MMORPGS. One is hugely successful, with over 8 million users. The other one has roughly half a million users, and has never been terribly popular.

One is telling me where to find assistance, the others telling me what will not be tolerated under fear of severe penalty.

thats the huge difference between WoW and FFXI. Also half of that half million players are prolly bots and mules.

[Mhurron]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Usage of third-party tools will not be tolerated within FINAL FANTASY XI, and we will continue to severely penalize any players found to be in violation of the PlayOnline Member Agreement.
versus
There is no official support for modifying the WoW interface. If you experience any issues with the interface after modifying it, you can disable any unofficial add-ons and changes in the AddOns menu at the character selection screen. Blizzard Technical Support cannot assist with setting up any kind of interface modification. However, you can find information for developing or installing add-ons in the UI & Macros Forum on the World of Warcraft website.
Two MMORPGS. One is hugely successful, with over 8 million users. The other one has roughly half a million users, and has never been terribly popular.
One is telling me where to find assistance, the others telling me what will not be tolerated under fear of severe penalty.

Yes, because of course modding the UI is the reason WoW is successful. It has nothing to do with the fact you can do just about everything without ever talking to another person, that there is no requirement for teamwork and that the players can forget that one M in MMO stands for Multiplayer.

No, it couldn't be that WoW appeals to people who before only ever would play a single player game because they don't want to have anything to do with others in a cooperative sense. Na that can't have anything to do with it, it has to he the UI thing.

[aozora]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Yes, because of course modding the UI is the reason WoW is successful. It has nothing to do with the fact you can do just about everything without ever talking to another person, that there is no requirement for teamwork and that the players can forget that one M in MMO stands for Multiplayer.

No, it couldn't be that WoW appeals to people who before only ever would play a single player game because they don't want to have anything to do with others in a cooperative sense. Na that can't have anything to do with it, it has to he the UI thing.

I think you missed my point. It's not the modding itself that is the deciding factor.

It's just an example of how Blizzard is more accommodating towards its player base (and what they want to do), as opposed to Square/Enix/POL who just cops an authoritarian attitude and starts threatening based of their idea of game balance.

Edit - That is to say Blizzard was able to incorporate flexibility - in this case, players being able to mod - into their idea of game balance. POL just said "No."

That is not a customer friendly announcement there.

Aside from that, it's interesting that you disparage WoWs massive player base simply because it seems you enjoy forced grouping...

[Kirsteena]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Ok who let the fan boi in? If you are here to add nothing to the discussion about how brilliant WoW/Blizzard is compared to FF/SE, may I point you in this direction? http://ffxi.allakhazam.com

Yes, Blizzard allow you to modify the UI. Congratulations. You kinda missed the point of this topic. So, less people play FFXI. Men keep telling women size doesn't matter...

[Mhurron]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

I think you missed my point. It's not the modding itself that is the deciding factor.
It's just an example of how Blizzard is more accommodating towards its player base (and what they want to do), as opposed to Square/Enix/POL who just cops an authoritarian attitude and starts threatening based of their idea of game balance.
Edit - That is to say Blizzard was able to incorporate flexibility - in this case, players being able to mod - into their idea of game balance. POL just said "No."
That is not a customer friendly announcement there.

Blizzard can and will ban you for changing the environment and even using 'approved' hardware.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl.../03/15/1334241

[Raydeus]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

thats the huge difference between WoW and FFXI. Also half of that half million players are prolly bots and mules.

I think it's around half a million accounts though, not characters.

I think you missed my point. It's not the modding itself that is the deciding factor.

It's just an example of how Blizzard is more accommodating towards its player base (and what they want to do), as opposed to Square/Enix/POL who just cops an authoritarian attitude and starts threatening based of their idea of game balance.

Edit - That is to say Blizzard was able to incorporate flexibility - in this case, players being able to mod - into their idea of game balance. POL just said "No."

That is not a customer friendly announcement there.

Aside from that, it's interesting that you disparage WoWs massive player base simply because it seems you enjoy forced grouping...

Eh, that flexibility to modify the macros and UI is a PC thing rather than a flexibility thing. If XI was PC only SE could allow players to modify the user interface so it would look any way the player wanted.

But since the game is also out on consoles SE seems to have taken the stance that even though there are graphical improvements in the resolution and drawing distance, other aspects of the game are to remain the same in all versions of the game, which is why UI modding isn't supported.

However there's a huge difference between bots and RMT activities and UI/macro customization. If Blizzard allowed RMT and bot/hacking in their game it would be because they are getting a share of the money, but I doubt it.

[hongman]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

lmao Kirst ^^

[fastcart]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

But since the game is also out on consoles SE seems to have taken the stance that even though there are graphical improvements in the resolution and drawing distance, other aspects of the game are to remain the same in all versions of the game, which is why UI modding isn't supported.

Off topic: SE broke their own rules with the 360 port however. The 360 port does allow better draw distance and 5.1 sound (I wish PC had 5.1 audio).

[Karinya]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Actually, WoW does allow some things that any other game would call bots. For quite some time there was a *legal* addon that would automatically find a player that had a harmful effect on them and remove it. This basically crippled debuff-using jobs in PvP (since the opponents almost always had it and therefore any debuff was removed instantly after it was cast), yet despite PvP being a major part of the game, WoW allowed it to exist for a long time and AFAIK it still does.

But WoW is kinda off topic here anyway.

Windower *is* a hack, it is against ToS, I wish they would start cracking down on it more. It provides several unfair advantages over people on other systems and over people who abide by the rules and refuse to use it (seeing TP, exact HP percentages, exact distances, etc.)

That, of course, is why some people are advocating an official windowed mode that *wouldn't* have built in cheats, but a windower *with* cheats is, well, cheating. And since one of the main purposes of the existing windower is to facilitate cheating, I think SE should get a lot more serious about it.

[Omniblast]

Re: Accounts Banned(Feb. 21)

Windower *is* a hack, it is against ToS, I wish they would start cracking down on it more. It provides several unfair advantages over people on other systems and over people who abide by the rules and refuse to use it (seeing TP, exact HP percentages, exact distances, etc.)

That, of course, is why some people are advocating an official windowed mode that *wouldn't* have built in cheats, but a windower *with* cheats is, well, cheating. And since one of the main purposes of the existing windower is to facilitate cheating, I think SE should get a lot more serious about it.

seeing someone's tp, exact hp percentages, exact distances, are PLUGINS. They are seperate programs that run *in* the windower. However the windower can run fine without the use of such plugins. The windower does exactly like it does, just allows you to alt-tab to another program. Using the windower does not necessarily mean they are using the plug-ins provided.

Just because I have a car doesn't mean I'm going to add a big muffler, a cold air intake and mod the cpu engine chip.

It also doesn't mean I'm going to run someone over with it either, but I could.