User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

[Icemage]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I'm curious to know if it's because SE is being more aggresive against gil sellers or if this is just the increase of gil sellers that is causing this.

I don't think it's a one-or-the-other; it's both. There are more gilsellers PLUS S-E is being a lot more aggressive at tracking and banning them.

Still, as long as SE only bans the cheaters and leaves the legit players be I'm happy, I don't want them to be more like Blizzard and with the number of banned accounts growing that is a small concern of mine.

Well, people complained when S-E left the RMTs alone, and now people complain because they're taking a more active stance. If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about (and there's an appeals process in case you get somehow caught in the net - though I'll note that probably 95% of people saying they were banned or suspended unfairly are lying through their teeth).


Icemage

[Malevolent]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I think this time around they banned tons of gill farmers/sellers.

I just got off the phone with SE asking why i got a suspension. They told me my items i had in my Bazzar and on the Jeuno/whitegate AHs were being mostly bought by assumed and banned RMTers. So in affiliation with them and aiding items to them i was assumed a gil seller aswell. Kinda lame but i can understand where they are coming from.
The only thing that worries me is, is this going to happen again...shoudl i not use my bazzar anymore? should i only use the AHs? I finally got clothcraft to a lvl i can make some profit off of it desynthing tonberry coats for linen thread and cloth.

I guess the only thing i can do is wwait my 48 hours and speak with a GM and find who esle was buying from me and just agree with SE on thier precautious assumption.

[Malevolent]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I don't think it's a one-or-the-other; it's both. There are more gilsellers PLUS S-E is being a lot more aggressive at tracking and banning them.


Well, people complained when S-E left the RMTs alone, and now people complain because they're taking a more active stance. If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about (and there's an appeals process in case you get somehow caught in the net - though I'll note that probably 95% of people saying they were banned or suspended unfairly are lying through their teeth).


Icemage

and no i'm not lying thru my teeth Icemage.

[Aeolus]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I can see the deflation in my server but I cant see any well known RMT getting banned and not even the oh so obvious we are just training more RMT armies got banned.

[Omni]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

What were the items?

[Icemage]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

and no i'm not lying thru my teeth Icemage.

I said, most, not all. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on you, and if you took it thus, then I apologize because it wasn't intended to be such. I can certainly see what happened in your case.


Icemage

[Jei]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

Looks like they're banning based on credit card now. I saw some people posting that they cheated on their account but their gf/friend/whoever sharing the credit card that never cheat also got banned too.

- Accounts from people that were previously confirmed to have RMT connections, or that had violated the user agreements but re-subscribed to PlayOnline.
2800 cases

This one too I think hint that they really check credit card info. It also sounds a lot like what we're doing here in ffxionline too banning those ad bots before they can even post : /

Male - if that's real that's so stupid.... You can't control who buy your stuff from bazaar and AH. That sucks totally,

[Ziero]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

Well by this time last year prices were already shooting up towards record numbers. Now that doesn't seem to be the case so it seems to be working as intended.

I like that SE is now doing something about the RMT, but I am a little concerned. It used to seem like about once a year or every 6 months they would mention how many accounts got banned, and how many accounts have been banned within the last 6 months? It's been alot although I'm not sure exactly how many have been banned.
I'm curious to know if it's because SE is being more aggresive against gil sellers or if this is just the increase of gil sellers that is causing this.
Still, as long as SE only bans the cheaters and leaves the legit players be I'm happy, I don't want them to be more like Blizzard and with the number of banned accounts growing that is a small concern of mine.

I think it's just SE being more active, and more open, about these things. This is the first time they ever gave us an actual rundown of numbers over who was banned for what. For some reason they decided the 'hide everything we do' approach wasn't working, which imo it wasn't, so being more open and active about things can only help. Seeing others get the ban stick might scare other people who break the rules into going legit and keep 'on the fence' people from going over. Now that we can *see* SE doing something, people can point out that you can be caught 3rd pt tooling.

[Karinya]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

The breakdown for the suspensions is as follows:
- Accounts confirmed using third party tools to illegally move their characters:
400 cases
- Accounts confirmed using third party tools to give an unfair advantage over other
players in order to get claim on Notorious Monsters.
4400 cases
- Accounts confirmed using illegal means to obtain items
100 cases
- Accounts from people that were previously confirmed to have RMT connections, or that had violated the user agreements but re-subscribed to PlayOnline.
2800 cases

I would like to particularly applaud the primary focus on claim hacks. RMT is indeed a nuisance and disruptive to the economy, but if they didn't monopolize NMs by hacking, they would be a minor nuisance, IMO. 40 accounts being run by 5 people aren't going to be able to compete for claim with 20 accounts being run by 20 people, unless they cheat.

Furthermore, non-RMT cheaters are bad for the game too, perhaps even as much as the RMT are, and I'm glad to see some action taken against them too.

[Jei]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

Some friend ask me to contact GM about his account. He wants to know reason.

GM Subina > I'm afraid I cannot provide any information on your friends account, or answer any questions regarding it.

GM Subina > Your friend should be informed via POL mail

Jaz > but he cannot log in to POL because he was suspened

That's kinda stupid isn't it D: w/e

[Vyuru]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

and now people complain because they're taking a more active stance

I don't mind the more active stance, I've just heard that Blizzard is overly aggressive in going after RMT and anyone who does get caught in the crossfire normally cannot get their account back.

SE sometimes seems to go overboard with the job adjustments and a few of the changes they have made, so I am a little worried they may go overboard with some of the bannings, but so far from what we have seen they seem to go through a very thorough background check on what these people do before they ban them.

Looks like they're banning based on credit card now. I saw some people posting that they cheated on their account but their gf/friend/whoever sharing the credit card that never cheat also got banned too.

I'm not surprised, I'm sure the RMT pay through the same accounts for alot of their things.

I'm betting the ban numbers for each case are actually higher, I'm willing to guess that anyone who uses a claim bot is probably also using the warp hacks and probably other things too.

Sadly given the other thread this was mentioned in, the 100 cases banned for using illegal means to obtain items sounds more like a test run to see if it works :/ If it did work I'd be guessing that alot more people would have been caught and banned.

[Malevolent]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I said, most, not all. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on you, and if you took it thus, then I apologize because it wasn't intended to be such. I can certainly see what happened in your case.


Icemage

Oh no i didn't take it as an attack. I just have mixed emotions about SE right now which is leaving me a lil frustrated. And POL's stupid CSRs...you have to tell them almost what time you were born what county who delivered you and did the doctor drop you when you were born just to verify you're the owner of the account. Seriously Hmf....

[Malevolent]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

Sadly given the other thread this was mentioned in, the 100 cases banned for using illegal means to obtain items sounds more like a test run to see if it works :/ If it did work I'd be guessing that alot more people would have been caught and banned.

I think this means using POS to get that regean feather in Attohaw Chassam. i know it was a growing trend on fairy.

[Malevolent]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

Some friend ask me to contact GM about his account. He wants to know reason.

GM Subina > I'm afraid I cannot provide any information on your friends account, or answer any questions regarding it.

GM Subina > Your friend should be informed via POL mail

Jaz > but he cannot log in to POL because he was suspened

That's kinda stupid isn't it D: w/e

thats GM INT for ya....makes ya wonder when their gonna put that Int+99 on their Judges gear.

[Mhurron]

Re: User Agreement Violators Terminated (Dec. 20)

I just got off the phone with SE asking why i got a suspension. They told me my items i had in my Bazzar and on the Jeuno/whitegate AHs were being mostly bought by assumed and banned RMTers. So in affiliation with them and aiding items to them i was assumed a gil seller aswell. Kinda lame but i can understand where they are coming from.

I'm calling bullshit on this. They won't ban just based on owning/selling a Scorpion Harness for instance just because the V.Claw is targeted by RMT groups.