Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

[Lecan]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Um, ya, thats the problem, awesomeness....
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More on topic, the changes to how summoning magic skillups seem interesting. Looks like this might be SE's changes to get summoners to leave their summons out more often.

This change won't make SMN more likely to keep their summons out. If anything, it will reinforce the summon/BP/release (now with 3 chances for skillups there instead of 1).

This is a great update, but it didn't do anything for avatars being out.

[Kamodake]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

I agree with Triel 100% this is a yummy update for SMNs but they really didnt address the biggest problem which imo (and many others) is the perp cost. What I really see this as doing is allowing SMN to buff/heal and then maybe do a MB. problem is that your still shelling out the mp for both and perp so you've basically just used 2 minutes worth of mp (bps, and some perp cost) in 1/2 the time. anyway should still be fun for you practicing SMNs. enjoy!

[Linra]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Yeah I'll have to agree with the Prep cost, but I guess there's no getting around it. At least you can do a lot more with Carbuncle (during his free prep levels if you have the right items). Have him attack attack attack, heal, Poison Nails Yay lol. But overall there's no question, this does improve SMN a lot, hopefully enough to get us more parties. ^^

Edit: Actually I have a question, does this mean Summoning skill won't help you at all unless it's capped and you have equipment and merits to surpass it? Meaning that anyone under 75 won't see a difference at all? x.x

[Icemage]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Edit: Actually I have a question, does this mean Summoning skill won't help you at all unless it's capped and you have equipment and merits to surpass it? Meaning that anyone under 75 won't see a difference at all? x.x

Summoning Earring, Lv35: +3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6539

Austere/Penance Cuffs, Lv50: +2/+3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2547

Austere/Penance Hat, Lv50: +2/+3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4296

Austere/Penance Sabots, Lv50: +3/+4
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4465

Austere/Penance Slops, Lv50: +3/+4
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2635

Evoker's Horn (AF1 hat), Lv60: +5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2180

Evoker's Ring, Lv71: +10
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2886

Summoner's Bracers (Relic AF2 hands): +10
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4402

Astute Cape, Lv73: +5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/7077

Elite Beret/+1, Lv71: +4/+5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2476


Icemage

[Omniblast]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

No Bst updates... ='( Go Go SMN!!

Don't worry, keep your chin up, and your Courier Carries full of pies. Your update will soon come!

I feel kinda bad though, for all those people that spent many days and many nights buffing their summoning skill, when now we can easily raise it beginning next patch. @_@.
BSTs are like our brothers and sisters, however they don't have mp draining, they have gil draining

This update can also make us weaker. Well those of us that do not have summoning magic capped. :\ 259 for me with items. (I forget which items.)

[little ninja]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Don't worry, keep your chin up, and your Courier Carries full of pies. Your update will soon come!

I feel kinda bad though, for all those people that spent many days and many nights buffing their summoning skill, when now we can easily raise it beginning next patch. @_@.

Omni i love the Bst pic.

[Omniblast]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Omni i love the Bst pic.

lol yeah that one's from FanFestival 06 @ Santa Monica. I forgot who our famous artist is, but he posted on ffxionline.com as well.

I like this picture as well

[Raydeus]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

I feel kinda bad though, for all those people that spent many days and many nights buffing their summoning skill, when now we can easily raise it beginning next patch. @_@.

We don't know about that, for all we know BP skill ups will come as slow as summoning, maybe the only advantage is that you'll be able to get some extra skill while you have your avatars out.

But I don't think it'll change the need for those skill up sessions (unless BP skill ups are much faster that is).

[Lambeaus]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

did you forget the last "uberly awesome" change to BLMs that SE made?

I don't believe that I was aboard yet. What happened?

[Omniblast]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

I don't believe that I was aboard yet. What happened?

NM's had "Magic Resistance" introduced to them, they resist a lot of spells later on and damage is reduced.

Please read this.
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...75/detail.html

Uhh I forgot a lot of people are behind corporate firewalls :\

Accumulative Magic Resistance
Currently, a large number of players can team up to overpower the enemy in certain battles by hitting the enemy repeatedly with only elemental magic. This tactic has had an unbalancing effect on the game, and we decided a change was needed.

However, altering the effects of powerful magic spells would have a negative effect on black mages and other magic users. Rather than altering magic effects or strengthening monsters, we determined that the adjustment to solve this issue should be as small as possible in scope and affect other gameplay mechanics as little as possible.

Therefore, for the next update we have decided to implement an accumulative magic resistance effect for all monsters whose strength reads "impossible to gauge."

We have also made several other adjustments to minimize the effect of this change on black mages and other magic users. For example, a party fighting a notorious monster with one to two black mages will probably not notice the difference.

However, we have decided to give Bahamut in the quest "The Wyrmking Descends" and Diabolos in the quest "Waking Dreams" a stronger accumulative magic resistance than other notorious monsters.

-Types of Affected Magic Damage
When a notorious monster is repeatedly hit by the following types of magic, it will accumulatively build magic resistance:

Black magic (elemental), white magic (divine), ninjutsu, magical blood pact abilities, magical blue magic, magical weapon skills (e.g., Spirits Within and Red Lotus Blade), and certain job abilities (e.g., Chi Blast and Mijin Gakure)

-Resistance Fluctuation
When a monster with accumulative magic resistance is hit by a magic attack, the amount of damage it receives will decrease in accordance with that monster's resistance. At the same time, its resistance will increase.

The monster's resistance will increase in accordance with the amount of damage incurred, but each monster has a maximum resistance level.

In addition, the monster's resistance will decrease with time if it is not hit by any repeated magic attacks.

[Lambeaus]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

What a CROCK!

[neighbortaru]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

made BCNM40 Worms' Turn so much harder than it needs to be

[Gobo]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Summoning Earring, Lv35: +3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6539
Austere/Penance Cuffs, Lv50: +2/+3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2547
Austere/Penance Hat, Lv50: +2/+3
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4296
Austere/Penance Sabots, Lv50: +3/+4
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4465
Austere/Penance Slops, Lv50: +3/+4
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2635
Evoker's Horn (AF1 hat), Lv60: +5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2180
Evoker's Ring, Lv71: +10
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2886
Summoner's Bracers (Relic AF2 hands): +10
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/4402
Astute Cape, Lv73: +5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/7077
Elite Beret/+1, Lv71: +4/+5
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2476
Icemage

Max skill you can get from items and merits (posted in Smn forums as well):

+5(Evk Hork/+1)+7(torque)+3(earring)+12(Smn Bracers+1)+10(Evk Ring)+4(Penance Slops)+5(nashira crackows)+5(Astute Cape)+5(Bahamuts Staff) For a grand total of +56 skill.
Throw in max skill merits for +72 skill. 269+72

[Caspian]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Something tells me that this is just gonna piss off SMN's, atleast the duration and accuracy part. Mostly b/c you know some elitists will only party with SMN's with capped + summoning skill. Yeah you could lie, but if they really wanted to, they could time how long the buffs last and know you weren't at cap.
I really hope they increase the skillup rate for summoning skill so that the truly hardcore SMN's aren't forced to stand around for days on end just summoning and dismissing over and over.

[Sabaron]

Re: Job Adjustments: Summoner (10/03/2006)

Um, ya, thats the problem, awesomeness....
...
...
More on topic, the changes to how summoning magic skillups seem interesting. Looks like this might be SE's changes to get summoners to leave their summons out more often.

Really?! With the time consumed by the summons, positioning and activation of a blood pact, now in much quicker succession (average 1 every 30 seconds), I think we'll see a lot more avatar flipping followed by a lot of resting and juicing especially on non Fenrir users. Obviously, you big scary fenrir types who use him for everything wont actually need to change avatars..........unless of course someone wants an Earthen Ward..........if you think about it now you can do

Summon Fenrir
Ecliptic Growl
Eclipse Bite
Unsummon
Summon Titan
Earthen Ward
Summon Fenrir
Eclipse Bite
Unsummon
Summon Carbuncle
Shining Ruby
Unsummon
Summon Fenrir Eclipse Bite

It doesn't change the current Summoner practice, it just speeds it up.

I agree with Triel 100% this is a yummy update for SMNs but they really didnt address the biggest problem which imo (and many others) is the perp cost. What I really see this as doing is allowing SMN to buff/heal and then maybe do a MB. problem is that your still shelling out the mp for both and perp so you've basically just used 2 minutes worth of mp (bps, and some perp cost) in 1/2 the time. anyway should still be fun for you practicing SMNs. enjoy!

I would like to see perpetuation reduction as a function of Summoning skill which is still, apparently, going to be largely useless unless you cap it and then add more.

Sounds interesting, and I'm actually kinda glad they aren't making any changes to Warrior at the moment. Gives me time to start leveling up SAM and SMN.

I thought the Vanafesta report said something about making WAR more "sub-friendly"... I wouldn't count my eggs until they finish posting class updates but it is highly possible that I missed something.


Quoted from http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/eve...anafesta2.html

Regarding Job Adjustments
[ Warrior ] - Weapons experts capable of using a variety of different weapon skills
Adjustments Planned: Changes to the number of equippable weapon types as well as an increase in the type of professions that are compatible as support jobs.