RMT Countermeasures

[Macht]

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There are a lot more than 4000 players on each server. I'd bet 20000-40000.

At the least there should be an average of about 33,333 users per server (more when you start factoring in their mules).

The mathmatics done for the 300billion is wrong too. It seems to state the 300 billion was from the 700 accounts. So you should of done:

300,000,000,000 / 700 = 428,571,428 gil

That is how much those 700 users had. Like you did with your math though you showed those 700 had enough to support sale demands of players buying gil that would be on at any given time. Being able to provide on average 50,000,000 gil is more then enough for any given player out of 4,000 on at that one moment to nearly equip themselves with all or half of all their needed gear and other items.

There is so much that the 300 billion can do to effect prices and cause inflations. SE's actions may not be a fix but it is a patch at the least, it'll take those they got time to recouperate the gil so it relieves the system. Solving it though is something you'll have to still figure out, hell it's still a problem that isn't even solved in real life so when real life starts infringing on the game the game ends up with the same situation.

[Omni]

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you need to look at the logistics of this. monitoring specific player actions and determining whether or not he is just a real avid player OR he's there to RMT takes time. monitoring itself takes time. it looks like they are devoting resources to this issue. what other way besides banning the accounts and removing this gil can they take w/o revising the whole economy?

better than nothing at all people. better than nothing at all.

[WishMaster3K]

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People just like to complain when they arent pleased.

[Aeolus]

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Ah well if they just took it from the RMT accounts idc then and yea I was complaining cause im not pleased im gonna loose money. Theres nothing wrong with that.

[Ziero]

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The money is already gone, it was deleted with the 700 accounts they got rid of. They're not just taking gil from random people or specificially removing gil, it was just a helpful side effect of the mass bannings.

SE has always been working on something to fix the problem, it just takes time to do it right. They won't just delete an account because all it does is camp an NM or transfer large quantities of gil because 'real' players do that too. They want to watch and study and make sure they know the account they're banning is worth banning. And that's not for any legal reasons as players have no right to sue SE for the deletion of an account as it's all SE's property to begin with. They wait to ban because they don't *want* to be wrong. They err on the side of caution so often times many 'obvious' gil sellers/farmers will be overlooked, but they are always trying to fix things the best they can.

[Omni]

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Ah well if they just took it from the RMT accounts idc then and yea I was complaining cause im not pleased im gonna loose money. Theres nothing wrong with that.

well since you dont care that they are trying to battle RMT for the better good of everyone, im sure no one cares that you are going to lose gil either.

[Kagerou]

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Whether the overall banning of acounts or the gil deletion were successful, the fact that they aren't sitting back in their chairs and letting the economy go further down into the spiral is a good thing. Don't know why there should be really negative comments to SE here.

[pearlsea]

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^Well actualy we can because pepole who tryed to tolerate the economy and get high lvl gear are going to loose money now cause se took soo long to act.

[Jei]

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hmm wonder if the fishing bots got suspended too.
uh well these are probably the easiest to recover anyway.

[Omni]

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i dont think you really lose money in the long run, think of all the money you made b/c of the increase in prices? you cant forget that just b/c youre losing money NOW.

[Enialas]

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well, excluding some sales i made during that period, I did make gil. but I also didn't buy stacks of cuttings or saplings that ran almost as much as some of the ores themselves.

last time I looked those items have gone down 300k but they were far from being close to "normal"

it's about time something happened.

but i'm now part of *Censored by NDA* and maybe I won't have to ever worry about it anymore anyways.

[framerate]

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well, excluding some sales i made during that period, I did make gil. but I also didn't buy stacks of cuttings or saplings that ran almost as much as some of the ores themselves.

last time I looked those items have gone down 300k but they were far from being close to "normal"

it's about time something happened.

but i'm now part of *Censored by NDA* and maybe I won't have to ever worry about it anymore anyways.

Censored by NDA? Did you censor this yourself?

[Yossar]

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That's alot of gil that just got deleted.

300 billion across 15 servers is an average of 20 billion per server. Sure, it sounds like a lot, but it's not. Gil is still being created from people NPCing things, killing beastmen, doing quests. Small numbers, sure, but when you factor in how much it occurs, more gil is being created than destroyed in this game. This is a problem.

The recent inflation happened because Gil Sellers sold off their stockpiles of gil, gil that was normally out of circulation. I gurantee there was a hell of a lot more gil being passed out then, than was destroyed by this action by S-E.

I gave up a while ago trying to explain the mechanics of inflation to people. They either don't want to read it or they just can't understand it. There intelligant people out there that know what they're talking about with this issue.

Fact of the matter is, you complained enough for S-E to do something that will appease you for the time being, but don't expect anything to change. RMTers maybe hurt by this, but they will bounce back. They make too much money of the the idiot gil buyersr for them to give up on their business.

[Brayden]

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I don't once see SE claming they have "solved" RMT for good. They are working on it- which they will probably continue to do until FFXI is over with. I think too many people see this announcement as "Problem Solved" Its not, SE isnt claiming that either.

[Macht]

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Censored by NDA? Did you censor this yourself?

Well I don't see any tag saying a Mod edited it. Since he's stating a he was censored by a Non-Disclosure Aggrement, I would guess he's Beta testing something. Though I could of sworn the XBox 360 is an open Beta which means just about anyone with the right equipment to do so can beta test it, so there shouldn't be an NDA as far as I'm aware of

NM, I see now. It wasn't exactly an Open Beta, more they offered a brief period of time were you can get in. So likely there is a NDA so he can't say.