NIN Macros Hate?!

[Malacite]

So, part of me is thinking these people are just scrubs talking out their ass, but I keep seeing multiple posts (with 0~1 likes) that say absolutely to not Macro ninjutsu and cast it manually.


What I don't get is why? Not that the combos are *too* hard to memorize, but given the pace of combat and how melee dps generally need to keep rotating skills and moving around why the hell SHOULDN'T I macro all my spells? The recast is 0.5 seconds but they last for 5 seconds so that's plenty of time.

[Etra]

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Macros have a tendency to mess up and miss one of the skills along the way. I have Awareness, Conv, and Foresight macro'd for my Paladin in one key. I can't tell you the amount of times Awarness didn't go off, but the other two did, Conv didn't go off, etc. It's just a risk you need to be willing to take for longer skill chain macros.

Personally, I find the appeal of NIN to be the whole memorization of mudras.

[Fliegar]

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It's generally accepted that you can create a single mudra with the same macro-icon because macros themselves aren't subject to spell queuing. You lose like .1~ seconds without it over time, apparently, but spamming the keys in the middle of a frantic rotation won't cause you to fail your ninjutsu.

[Malacite]

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It's generally accepted that you can create a single mudra with the same macro-icon because macros themselves aren't subject to spell queuing. You lose like .1~ seconds without it over time, apparently, but spamming the keys in the middle of a frantic rotation won't cause you to fail your ninjutsu.

Yes it will, that's precisely the problem. If you do ANY action other than another Mudra or the wrong Mudra (other than the Ninjutsu command) it automatically fails. and uses up the 20s recast.

[Fliegar]

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Ah, I meant that spamming the key for a macro'd mudra won't queue it up, so as long as you stop spamming that specific key before the .5 second GCD is over, and switch to the second or third macro'd mudra in the chain, it won't cause you to flub your ninjutsu.

[Firewind]

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I don't really see the point in macros in this game anyway aside from the odd mouseover macro for things like Aetherical Manipulation (where it is basically required to use that ability well) or Goad (ditto), or target of target macros at get off an instant Eye for an Eye on the tank without having to target switch.

Literally the only classes that can use Macros are Paladin, which is a 3 button class anyway (It is literally 1, 2, 3, use X Cooldown for Y phase of the fight), or Bard which can easily be played by rolling your face across the keyboard, (or putting every ability not a DoT onto one macro).

The classes that bads say you should be using macros for like SCH and SMN, are the worst classes to be using macros for because you lose out on a MASSIVE amount of your class potential by not micromanaging your pets properly. Knowing what to stance dance with Eos, when to spot heal, and when to Embrace Bomb the tank is why SCHs can very easily solo heal most of the Primal extremes.

Also putting all of your defensive Cooldowns on one button as a tank is a bad idea. What happens if you need a specific cooldown, but you used it because you just activated all of them at once? What happens if you need that CD but it is not next in the rotation? Macros have a delay so what if that CD needs to go up while a raid boss if charging and attack and the delay combined with latency means the CD doesn't go off?

T7, T8 and Shiva Extreme (Phase 3) are actually pretty useful fights for weeding out bad tanks that put all Cooldowns on one macro.

[Fliegar]

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I personally don't have any macros other than glitching your weapon to glow on your back / sheath, but a few people have had much better luck having their Mudras as macros rather than just the ability, since they tend to spam the keys and end up getting a duplicate. I typically spam keys out of habit so I can use them as soon as the GCD is over, and playing Ninja is forcing me away from that.

[Malacite]

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It's just more of a convenience thing - I don't want to be fumbling around trying to remember the proper combination of Mudras during something like say, Titan EX where I have to constantly be moving while also maintaining a weaponskill rotation. It's more optimal if you do since it technically takes less time to enter them manually, but why risk screwing it up even if there's generally only 2 or 3 you'll want to use in a given fight anyway (in Titan's case, Huton Raiton and possibly Suiton)

[jenova_9]

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Macros could be helpful but have to be careful spamming or double pressing, or you could get the super kawaii bunnie.

[Fliegar]

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Honestly, it's easy to remember the Mudra sequences, since the only thing that matters is the mudra that you close the Ninjutsu with. A 2-mudra Ninjutsu that ends with Ten is going to be Katon. If it ends in Chi it's Raiton, and if it ends in Jin, it's.. whatever the ice one is. The same thing follows for the 3-mudra sequences. You can hit either of the first 2, and the closing one is what makes it all work. Ending in Ten in a 3-mudra sequence gives you Hyoton, and so forth. It's making the class hilariously fun to play as you dodge past all of the crap while casting.

[Malacite]

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the other thing that's annoying me is I sometimes go to hit Ninjutsu but accidentally hit another mudra and cock up the whole thing.

[Firewind]

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I just made myself a list and printed it off to memorise.

[Malacite]

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Yeah but then that means glancing away from the screen, which as a melee dps is generally a biiiiiig no-no.

[Firewind]

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Then you are bad at the game if you can't look away for a second, or memorise a couple of combinations.

[Fliegar]

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I just remember key positions now, though I get how each Ninjutsu works.

For me it's (Second hotbar, so Ctrl + whatever the number) 1: Ten. 2: Chi. 3: Jin. 4: Cast.

Huton: 3, 2, 1, 4

Suiton: 1, 2, 3, 4

Raiton: 1, 2, 4

Katon: 2, 1, 4

Doton: 1, 3, 2, 4