iLevel gear checks? Repairs more affordable?

[Mezlo]

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And if you thought this is a grind, then you've forgotten all about WoW

I do enjoy your posts Aeni and alot of them provide good info. But your endless references to WoW do become tiresome...

[Aeni]

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I do enjoy your posts Aeni and alot of them provide good info. But your endless references to WoW do become tiresome...

It's a common point for me and Firewind so we can relate to the game. And as well as Yoshi-P makes common references as well, so while I apologize if you took offense, just be aware that even the official channels do as well.

Going back to the whole topic of speed-runs, I believe that if you want to do something that goes beyond the scope of player interaction, then yes, you SHOULD form your static groups outside of Duty Finder. For example, FATE grinding, or Hitting a particular dungeon over and over again for a particular item drop. That hasn't changed in since forever ... it's not a "band aid" solution, that's just how it has always been and will always be until players stop acting like a bunch of pariahs and instead of being selfish about "my time". What about the time of other players you're screwing over in the process for yourself? Dux, you and others are just plain selfish, I will be blunt about it, but if you do it within your own group, then more power to you. Just don't use DF and expect others to follow your lead or enjoy the same things that you do.

[Dux]

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The idea that the speed runners are selfish is an aspect of the issue of speed runs issue I don't really understand. I don't see a single post on the official forum from the speed runners demanding that the slow players do speeds runs all the time and demanding from SE that they remove the possibility of not doing speed runs because it doesn't suit their needs.

Seems to me the intolerance here isn't with the speed runners at all.

[Firewind]

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Okay I have been testing out Amdpour Keep and basically the sky's not fallen. You don't have to fight every trash pack, just the ones in your path. basically how the game was intended. You can still put in some pretty fast runs but it is more 40 mins then 20 mins. I'm still fairly sure that a fully geared group having WP and AK on farm status can cut that down to 35 mins easily.

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Pics to help out:

This is the Mob Pack blocking the gate, they need to die to pass through

Mobs are dead, time to pass through

Basically what it means is that the trash packs you see off to the side as you go through AK are entirely skippable and optional. if you want the crafting mats or relic mats then feel free to kill them. However, you can't just Sac Pull to skip everything anymore, you need to clear the gates.

What it also means is that you can do legitimate Speed Runs now, so having a fast time means something if you are into that sort of thing.

Also best farming setup seems to be PLD, DRG, BLM, WHM. It gives you enough AoE to make mincemeat of the trash packs and you will have access to both the Melee and Caster Limit Breaks. A BLM is required for a legitimate Speedrun of Wanderer's Palace because it makes the adds on the Second boss trivial, and is good for the final boss for if you somehow lose control of the adds. If you are doing AK exclusively then the BLM can be switched to a MNK or second DRG.

[DakAttack]

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Woah woah woah, what about SMN?

[Hayde]

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Part of the fundamental flaw on SE's end at the moment is every recent interview I've read, and all the various community (forum) sources I've come across has to led me to understand that Crystal Tower, due in 2.1 is actually not a progression FROM Bahamut's Coil, but rather a progression TO Bahamut's Coil (at least the first "section" of the tower, or however they're splitting it). Since they're claiming that Crystal Tower will be tuned so that 24 players can queue using the DF to complete it, whereas Bahamut is so difficult that it's not available in DF--this seems to perplex me quite a bit.

So regardless of whether you grind the 5000~6000 philosophy tomes to get full darklight gear while maxing out your weekly limit of mythology tomes for AF2/Relic armor, it does not seem to matter since assuming everything is going as planned, Crystal Tower is a means of giving you gear that's between AK/Primal Hard Mode and Bahamut's Coil. Currently Ifrit weapons are ilevel 60, with Garuda and Titan weapons being level ilevel 70. As far as gear is concerned, Darklight gear is ilevel 70 as well while AF2 armor is ilevel 90 along with the Allagan armor, accessories, and weapons from Bahamut's Coil.

This effectively means that assuming they keep their original vision, Crystal Tower loot will probably be around ilevel 80 or so. This is kind of ass-backwards since I've never known an MMO company to release content backwards--If I had to make a comparison to WoW (hold your pitchforks down!), it would be akin to them releasing a Zul'Gurub, Zul'Aman, etc.

What this means is although progression being slowed immensely sucks, unless you're aiming for world/regional/server first I would not worry--since the next slated content to be released in 2~3 months is a means of helping the community catch up and complete the 5 turns of Bahamut's Coil, rather than content created for those who have completed it. Unless they are planning to add even more content that has been unannounced--I know they're adding the King Moogle fight back in, but once again those items are only ilevel 70...we're looking at 2.2 before anything beyond the Coil difficulty, likely to be related to the new primal fights they mentioned.

Anyhow, that's my observations and 2 cents.

[Aeni]

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The idea that the speed runners are selfish is an aspect of the issue of speed runs issue I don't really understand. I don't see a single post on the official forum from the speed runners demanding that the slow players do speeds runs all the time and demanding from SE that they remove the possibility of not doing speed runs because it doesn't suit their needs.

Seems to me the intolerance here isn't with the speed runners at all.

Now you're just being purposefully ignorant...

(1) You run a static group and do speed runs within your group. My feeling is that it is FINE if you do it in your group. SE cares because (a) it goes against their intended design philosophy, namely that the dungeons aren't cum dumpsters for pre-mature ejaculators, and if you can't play within the defined rules then you're obviously exploiting and (b) they feel that it's detrimental to some philosophy they hold regarding online community. Again, you argue with SE, not the other players.

(2) There are others, a lot of them actually, who use DF and insist that other players "get on or get off" their exploitative behavior. This is what I'm arguing against. DF is like a public space. If you want to describe black people as n*ggers in the privacy of your own home, that's your decision and yours alone (static group -> KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc.) But if you do that in a public space, where the society has decided that is not acceptable behavior, than you can't well cry wolf and then lash out at other players for siding against you (Duty Finder -> Government/Constitution)

If you can't figure that out, then you need to re-examine why you're even playing this game at all in the first place.

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What this means is although progression being slowed immensely sucks, unless you're aiming for world/regional/server first I would not worry--since the next slated content to be released in 2~3 months is a means of helping the community catch up and complete the 5 turns of Bahamut's Coil, rather than content created for those who have completed it. Unless they are planning to add even more content that has been unannounced--I know they're adding the King Moogle fight back in, but once again those items are only ilevel 70...we're looking at 2.2 before anything beyond the Coil difficulty, likely to be related to the new primal fights they mentioned.

Anyhow, that's my observations and 2 cents.

I concur with your observations and you state it more eloquently than I have from a player's perspective. I gave a different reply regarding the Duty Finder situation and not progression. In my previous posts, I had multiple responses, but it got muddled, so I decdied to just stick to one point.

[Mezlo]

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If you want to describe black people as n*ggers in the privacy of your own home, that's your decision and yours alone (static group -> KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc.)

This is where i got confused...

[Malacite]

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So I wonder then where Ramuh & Leviathan fit into all this.

Also nice to see Relic Armor is actually GOOD, like AF3+2 in FFXI (for a time anyway).

[Aeni]

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This is where i got confused...

I'm using analogies to show where things stand. If you want to do speed runs within your own group, with friends, family or even Free Company members, that's your business. If you bad mouth a racially protected group within the confines of your own home to "like minded" individuals or at some "clan rally", etc.,, then the government can't just break down the doors and haul you off to jail.

However, if you use Duty Finder for speed runs or exploit content, and then somehow expect other players to do it with you, then that to me is the same as going to the school or the public library and start using "hate" speech or racial slurs, then you better not be surprised if the reaction to you by other people in those public areas are negative. If other players are complaining about players running Speed Runs using Duty Finder, then they are clearly allowed to do so. And if SE also thinks that Speed Runs are wrong or that they are looking into whether or not it's detrimental to the game, the offending party (those who use DF for speed runs) have no "right" to lash out at those players. Their grievances lie with SE so they should file a formal complaint or petition or whatever and state their case to the company.

Seems to me the intolerance here isn't with the speed runners at all.

This is where I've quoted Dux making such a fallacious statement.