Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

[Firewind]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Yeah I heard about your expedition in Copperbell. Also do you know how to start Rank 3 for Hunting List?

I dislike telling people to "lulL2P" but I've seen people complain about THM/BLM survivability and it really is down to people not understanding just how effective the class is at battlefield control.

As for Rank 3, it is done by finishing Rank 2. Some mobs are a massive pain to find.

[Malacite]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Provoke and Flash are both GLA abilities. MRD can sub them though.

[Aeni]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Provoke and Flash are both GLA abilities. MRD can sub them though.

So what is the problem, then? I'd expect a MRD to complain and not the other way around.

[Firewind]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Am I the only one finding WAR to be the only viable tank? PLDs can barely hold aggro when I start nuking and I very often find myself skipping multiple CGDs to give even the best PLDs a chance to build up emnity.

WARs on the other hand, need nothing special, especially once they're used their first Wrath Consumer.

PLD really needs some help with threat generation. I've lost count of the numbers of times I've been stuck kiting around because I crit.

[Malacite]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Is it really that bad? I would have thought with Oath of Shields, Flash & Provoke they'd have more than enough to maintain hate.

[Firewind]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Nope, I have to intentionally gimp my DPS. it's that bad that I have to sit on Thundercloud Procs until they expire if I get one too early and if Fire III, an instant Thunder Spell or Fire crits then I'm stuck tanking.

WAR basically gets emnity on everything including auto attacks thanks to Defiance. Plus WAR tanking isn't based on RNG like the PLD so the incoming damage is consistent and easier to manage, especially with the self healing and Stoneskin in play.

It doesn't help that there are so many idiots out there that think that curing increases emnity more than simply stabbing too.

[Melody]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Yeah. I hate to say it but PLD simply sucks ass at holding hate. Did Satasha last night, tank decided to run into the fray, I send in Carbuncle, little bugger is more of a hate taker than the main tank. You shitting me? This is just madness, I'm fearing for my life if PLD can't even hold hate this early on in the game.

[Malacite]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Well again that's why I opt for +STR and play PLD offensively (while using proper tanking gear of course, but I don't like to turtle).

[Melody]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Well again that's why I opt for +STR and play PLD offensively (while using proper tanking gear of course, but I don't like to turtle).

Then don't even pick up the class. Go War.

[Aeni]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Is it really that bad? I would have thought with Oath of Shields, Flash & Provoke they'd have more than enough to maintain hate.

Not sure what the deal is here. I think it's poorly played Gladiators and not using proper rotation on abilities.

TANKS

1. You are the party leader. No ifs, buts or ands. If you can't lead, don't play a tank.
2. Learn to write macros and use them.
3. Guild behests are a wonderful practice ground. Queue up and take advantage of the lucrative experience and gil bonuses.
4. Learn to mark mobs. Learn to communicate. Learn to guide. Learn to educate.
5. Use your abilities. They're there for a reason. Any abilities with cooldown timers less than 5 minutes need to be used at every opportunity. Especially moreso during the initial pull of large groups (3 or more NPCs)
6. Keep your gear updated. Keep your weapons updated. Fill up your accessories slots.
7. Repair. Repair. Repair. Broken gear and weapon means you lose all stat benefits conveyed through them.
8. Don't be an ass. Listen to your group and pay attention to their needs. Play to their strengths, shore up their weaknesses. Being a leader isn't a one-way street.

I'm not sure how fast you're burning through a pack of 4 or 5 NPCs, but let me tell you, Rampart > Flash should have the mobs cemented on you. There is a small "cooldown" on the effects of Flash, so spamming 2 or 3 in 5 seconds is worthless and wastes mana.

If you're a DPS, hit the marked mobs. If you tag an unmarked mob, then that's fucking yours, don't blame it on the tank. DPS should NOT use AOE if they cannot deal with taking subsequent damage from loss of aggro. This isn't WoW - even in the guild behest and tutorials laced throughout the game, you are constantly told to "focus on one enemy at a time". Unless you're in a well oiled group or with friends, I'd refrain from using AOE.

[Firewind]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Then you get the idiot tanks that scream at you for being a bad BLM for NOT spamming AoE and instead marking and sleeping mobs. I tend to just quit the group with those guys since they are more trouble then they're worth. No amount of Crowd Control solves stupid.

Thankfully I have a really nice LS and have made friends with quite a few people to group with so it's only on the rare occasion I run into idiots. It's why I love Brayflox's Longstep. That instance WILL punish any bad players, especially bad tanks. It's at the point where I am seriously considering a personal rule where I don't group with a player that can't clear it because it is a perfect way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

They should also seriously make it a requirement that you clear each dungeon before you go to the next one and that you must clear Guildhests before you can progress the story. It would result in a lot less bad players.

[Nandito]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

Aren't most dungeons tied to the main story anyway? I only found two that are a side-quest in Vesper Bay. (Fuckin' loved Halatali; got nothing but tanking gear up the butt.)

[Malacite]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

I still haven't really learned how to use macros in ARR - like, I've seen some tanks who use signs to denote what order to kill shit in. How do you do that? (giant 1>2>3 etc. above heads)

[Firewind]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

If I'm playing with the LS: They know I've got sleepga so I just mark what I want them to hit. And tell them what mobs are sleep immune or highly resistant.
If I'm playing with Randoms: Tell them that my sleep is AoE and the WHM shouldn't need to sleep. Facepalm as someone (usually the tank) spams AoE.
If I'm playing with Jarre: Yell at him on Skype until he either MPKs me or gets it right.

[DakAttack]

Re: Yoshi-P Wants more Tanks

As an Arcanist, I can provide an off-tank, which allows me to lay down the DoTs on all the enemies as quickly as possible without garnering too much hate.