Gathering Completely Sucks Now

[Malacite]

Not really sure what the hell they were thinking, but the consensus on the forums appears to be that they've destroyed whatever fun was left in gathering.


Not only did they reduce the # of attempts, but they apparently doubled the delay between swings and didn't even adjust the EXP rates. So the overall pace of gathering has gotten much much slower (something nobody asked for) and GP skills feel wasted now with so few attempts at each node.


As a side note, I'd also like to add that quick synthesis is a joke - all it does is remove the need to push the button between each synth, you still do each item 1 after the other as you would manually (though they finish in 1 action, that doesn't change anything if you're just grinding out a bunch of materials like say bronze ingots for use in other recipes).


I dunno, feels like somebody dropped the ball big time which is not good this close to release. Fishing feels like it needs a bit of tweaking as well, and I can't for the life of me understand why they waited so damned long before letting us test it.

[Aeni]

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Not really sure what the hell they were thinking, but the consensus on the forums appears to be that they've destroyed whatever fun was left in gathering.


Not only did they reduce the # of attempts, but they apparently doubled the delay between swings and didn't even adjust the EXP rates. So the overall pace of gathering has gotten much much slower (something nobody asked for) and GP skills feel wasted now with so few attempts at each node.

Too many players were gaining levels way too quickly. These changes are a reflection of their attempts to thwart botting. I think they were important steps in doing so and gathering (IMHO) was ALWAYS A GRIND, albeit a necessary one.

As a side note, I'd also like to add that quick synthesis is a joke - all it does is remove the need to push the button between each synth, you still do each item 1 after the other as you would manually (though they finish in 1 action, that doesn't change anything if you're just grinding out a bunch of materials like say bronze ingots for use in other recipes).

You probably did not read that part of the Q&A where they said that it would be available at a certain level. /smackMalinbackofhead

I dunno, feels like somebody dropped the ball big time which is not good this close to release. Fishing feels like it needs a bit of tweaking as well, and I can't for the life of me understand why they waited so damned long before letting us test it.

Fishing is fine. Not sure what you're griping about. Unless you mean it should be more like in 1.0, which I wouldn't mind either, but that was also needed fixing.

[Firewind]

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Fishing is fine. it is exactly how it was at FFXI's release, so it didn't suck and wasn't mind numbingly boring because you were forced to pay constant attention to the game because of the retarded minigame they forced in that didn't stop bots at all.

[Malacite]

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What are you talking about with the 2nd point? I have quick synthesis and used it, it's dumb and doesn't save any time at all. My BSM is 45 FYI.

Fishing has a few problems, actually - people are reporting getting ludicrous amounts of EXP in certain areas, especially on HQ fish (getting upwards of 4k EXP on some hits) and the fishing guide isn't very helpful; aside from the overlapping text (which is just a visual thing they can fix easily enough) there's no information whatsoever about what bait or lures to use. It's also kinda annoying that unlike the BTN and MIN logs, it doesn't tell you where to find items right away - only after you've discovered a fish does the information pop up.

[Firewind]

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Quick Synthesis is a godsend for when you need a bunch of low level ingredients or just want to grind through some levels to get to the next load of recipes.

You basically go "Right I have all these ingredients and I can make this with no problem so I'm going to just make a mass batch of them." FFXI and FFXIV have needed this for ages.

And you're implying that HQ fish are easy to consistently land. It is all RNG with your gathering and perception stats having an unknown effect.

[Aeni]

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There's no information whatsoever about what bait or lures to use. It's also kinda annoying that unlike the BTN and MIN logs, it doesn't tell you where to find items right away - only after you've discovered a fish does the information pop up.

In the Q&A Yoshi-P said that "you need to go out and make those discoveries yourself. That is the joy of fishing." Yes, fishing isn't for everyone, and it never meant to be, so I'm going to assume that you're not going to really take up fishing. That's fine ... Yoshi-P stated that fishing is going to be different than mining and botany in that it's not "required" and other than having very few applications in some crafting, it's not exactly a deal breaker if you can't find a way to like it. But I'm going to say that in FFXI, not everyone liked fishing, and they never liked it in any other MMO, no matter the implementation.

As for your issue with the Quick Synthesis, go back to the Q&A, they said to "try it out, first" and let them know. If you and everyone else isn't happy, they will change it, so feedback is important (although the beta forums is really hammered at the moment since many players aren't as lucky as you and can't even (a) log-in or (b) log back in on a character they just logged out of due to Error 3102)

[Malacite]

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I was only using it on extremely low level items, but apparently QS also has a very high failure rate, and only grants 1/2 the EXP on top of that.

[Firewind]

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That is because QS is for mass producing stuff and powering through the last chunk of a level.

[Malacite]

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That is because QS is for AFKing.

FTFY.

[Firewind]

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As opposed to sitting there mindlessly mashing the Standard Synth hotkey? Oh noes! I don't have to keep hitting a button while watching TV! I can just watch TV and look to the screen occasionally! How can I ever forgive Square Enix for saving me money on Keyboard wear?! Or making crafting less mind numbing? Oh dear lord they changed something so it much suck!

[Aeni]

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FTFY.

Dude, you're just being an ass ... even during 1.0, several people on these very forums said synthing was so mind numbing that all they did was mash buttons while watching the TV. If they could do it then, so can you, especially NOW.

[Fliegar]

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A friend that I've been playing MMO games with for years strictly rolls a crafting class in virtually any game we play. He's insanely happy that there's a quick-synth function because he crafts shit in bulk. Not everyone is going to like something, or see the value in it, but when you're trying to pump out items as fast as you can for people on a tight schedule, it works.

[Firewind]

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Crafting stuff for Guildies on SWTOR is a bitch because it takes so long for the high tier stuff to finish. If someone wants some medipacks or stims for a raid they literally have to tell me before 48 hours of the event so I can get it done. Quick Synth is a godsend and prevents stuff like that from killing crafting.

[Aeni]

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Crafting stuff for Guildies on SWTOR is a bitch because it takes so long for the high tier stuff to finish. If someone wants some medipacks or stims for a raid they literally have to tell me before 48 hours of the event so I can get it done. Quick Synth is a godsend and prevents stuff like that from killing crafting.

To be fair, nothing from FFXIV 1.0 or alpha, beta or release of ARR will be anything like SWTOR ...

[Nandito]

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I'm having fun with fishing just being a thing to do whenever I come across a new area. If I spot any undiscovered bodies of water, I'm going to damn well thrust my rod in there.