New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

[Yygdrasil]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Which is why summoner was the only job you played in ffxi and took to level 99 amirite?

Sure I worked on other jobs... but I spent 5 years exclusively on SMN. For the longest time... it was the only job I had at 75... because it was the only one I cared about. In recent years, they made it so that SMN is less and less popular/useful in large-scale events/abyssea and I opted to keep participating in those group events I was being cast out of by leveling a job that was more accepted. At first that meant COR... but turned into NIN and then WHM when it became clear that I was in a LS that didn't have a single WHM in it.

If SMN didn't turn out to be what it currently is in FFXI... I would have quit a very long time ago.

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Yyg accidentally a Kannagi

Well yeah... have you seen the Empy weapon available to SMN? What choice did I have?

[Etra]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

It's still most probably going to be the same system FFXI had in terms of summoning. However, we're not going to get the "big summons." Instead, we'll have carbuncle, cait sith, mog, and various elementals.

This is not what I want and I am pissed.

[Yygdrasil]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Unless I see a radical change to the way SMN is going to work... I'm not going to waste any more of my time or money.

[Mezlo]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Unless I see a radical change to the way SMN is going to work... I'm not going to waste any more of my time or money.

Whew. Glad i didn't waste the time and effort to switch to your LS on Ragnarok...

[Etra]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Whew. Glad i didn't waste the time and effort to switch to your LS on Ragnarok...

This.

OH WAIT.

[Aeni]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Whew. Glad i didn't waste the time and effort to switch to your LS on Ragnarok...

I'm sure Yyg has other reasons why he stopped playing FFXIV, mainly because many of the members have decided to do "their own thang" and are knee deep in the affairs of other LS, so use our LS more of a backdrop and background noise than anything regarding end game content.

I wouldn't call it a waste of time and effort that you saved. More like actually taking advice from Etra and I when we said "it would be in your own best interest" to stay with your own LS. If you had come to Ragnarok, I wouldn't have had any sympathy to your "perceived" transgressions on the part of FFO members.

TL;DR Don't be a fucksquat

[Mezlo]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

I'm sure Yyg has other reasons why he stopped playing FFXIV, mainly because many of the members have decided to do "their own thang" and are knee deep in the affairs of other LS, so use our LS more of a backdrop and background noise than anything regarding end game content.

I wouldn't call it a waste of time and effort that you saved. More like actually taking advice from Etra and I when we said "it would be in your own best interest" to stay with your own LS. If you had come to Ragnarok, I wouldn't have had any sympathy to your "perceived" transgressions on the part of FFO members.

TL;DR Don't be a fucksquat

I just think it's odd to play an MMORPG, develop an LS, actively recruit the LS, and then announce you're quitting based upon a class that never existed not coming out the way you hopped it would is odd... Fucksquat or not, just my opnion.

[Aeni]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

I just think it's odd to play an MMORPG, develop an LS, actively recruit the LS, and then announce you're quitting based upon a class that never existed not coming out the way you hopped it would is odd... Fucksquat or not, just my opnion.

I think Yyg rescinded his role and gave it to someone, unless I mistakenly noticed that change in leadership. There are enough "semi active" FFO members to pull in LS seeking players. But here is the thing we said from the very start (I knew this was going to happen): We cannot guarantee the health and vitality of the LS because FFXIV itself isn't even in the kind of place where you expect a "world class" MMO title to be in. At the very least, let's just wait for 2.0 before we can actively build a "strong and vibrant" LS willing to put time and effort into the game. I'm not apologizing for Yyg, but I can understand his frustration and probably his own shortcoming more than anyone here (in terms of availability of time to invest in), and I do agree with you that his departure could've been handled a little bit better (unless he made some public announcement on the official FFXIV forum that I wasn't aware of)

[Malacite]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

They said they plan to release SMN as a job, but you're going to have "lesser" summons like Carbuncle etc. while the Primals are for any class to use as a special 1-time thing.

Which I still hate with a fiery passion. This is the one thing I vehemently take issue over with Yoshi P - it's total bullshit. The whole allure of being a Summoner is calling in the summons for huge, game-changing and visually spectacular effects. That's why I was always disappointed with it in XI and now they're making it even worse with this roaming bullshit. I mean what the fuck? Even Relic weapons aren't that restricted, and they're supposed to be the hardest, most powerful things to obtain. There's no arbitrary rule saying there can only be one Excalibur per world, so why the fuck can't I have the pleasure of being able to blow a tonne (hell even all) of my MP for a big, shiny effect.

I don't want SMN as a pet job again. I want it to play the way it does offline, even if it means the job's only really viable in group play as a result (or at least heavily dependent on cross-class skills for soloing - it's an MMO anyway, you're supposed to play in groups.) There's plenty of other awesome stuff to keep my interest in the game, but this is the one hot-button issue for me that I'd love to just beat Yoshi over the head with if I could.

[Yygdrasil]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

I just think it's odd to play an MMORPG, develop an LS, actively recruit the LS, and then announce you're quitting based upon a class that never existed not coming out the way you hopped it would is odd... Fucksquat or not, just my opnion.

First of all, thanks for having my back Aeni... although that last sentence stings a little (not that it isn't true).

Secondly, I had high hopes for XIV and when some of the changes happened not long back, I was pumped with a new enthusiasm to start a shell. The server merge was a great excuse to get all of us from here on FFO together on XIV. Apart from you... that's exactly what happened too. Wheather or not I kept it up is a moot point. I did the best I could to keep an active interest in the shell and to organize events and activities that we could do together. What wound up happening was that as Aeni said... many people joined and then SIMULTANIOUSLY joined another shell and ignored ours completely. Given the limitations on how many members can co-exist an any given shell, we filled up quickly with anon people and ran out of room at an alarming rate.

Once we were nearly full, it became almost impossible to make room again because in order to kick someone out... they not only had to be online... but standing right next to you. This was impossible for those members who never logged on... or outright quit the game.

You can certainly understand how discouraging it is to run a shell where 60/125 members are never online and you're hessitant to invite others in for fear they will do the same... and you'll end up with no room.

The people who did stick around were few and far between. There were of course our own neighmors from here on the forum... and a sparse handfull of pick ups worth note.

Even amongst our own... we saw staggering numbers of people who couldn't or wouldn't log online. Ray comes to mind... along with a few others.

I know I had some funny hours... but I made an effort to be on during a large variety of times... where I commonly encountered Mal, Hayde, Aeni and on occasion Etra. Apart from them... I would occasionally see Dux running his own shell's things.

Sure, I could have parted ways more gracefully from the shell... but the fact of the matter is... I treated it as a community effort and the community betrayed me. Not those of you from here on the forum... but the remaining community.

Lakotah and Mal took over the vast majority of the recruitment and I know Rillish did a fair bit himself alone with Etra and Aeni on the various threads both here and on the Official Forums... but there's only so much you can do for a creature that's dying from the inside out. It's really just a matter of time unless you can actively stimulate community involvment... that I wasn't able to do alone.

Thus... I came to consider myself largely alone in my gaming on FFXIV and started to think more along the lines of wheather or not I would still enjoy the game if I were to continue playing on my own. My answer to myself was "Well at least they'll be coming out with SMN soon, right?".

So with this new info on the terrible plans for SMN... my desire to play a game (largely alone) without one of the main attractions that I had to it being what i was expecting... yeah, I left.

Could I have done it more gracefully? Sure.

Could the people who left and never came back have given me the same courtesy? Absolutely.

Could I stop answering to a guy who's only real agruing point against me is "well thank god I didn't server hop... yyg clearly fucked up". I plan to.

Perhaps if you had switched servers with me, your proactive additude would have benefitted the missing needs of the LS and helped us keep it alive. Who knows... maybe you not moving to Ragnarok is just as much the reason it failed as my leaving the game is.

If you want to speculate and point fingers, do it at something that actually directly effected you...

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tl;dr

Stop being a jackass.

[Raydeus]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Yeah Mezlo, leave Yggy freaking alone. It's not like he did the same to an XI LS or a podc... eh... uh... let's just change subject.


How's those D&D sessions going?

[Yygdrasil]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

The FFXI LS is different. I never left... everyone else did lol.

[Malacite]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

I thought they fixed it so you can actively remove people now as needed?

Anyways, it's not that we're mad at you or anything - it's just annoying never having our shell leader on anymore (again, this isn't a jab at you personally you just happen to be the owner of the shell) and so our options as just officers are somewhat limited. First thing I'm gonna do when I get back on is start taking note of who's actively participating and kicking all the loafers. Even when the game is somewhat bland, having conversataions with ppl can make it bearable or even fun. It's pretty much the only way I can stay sane during long crafting sessions.

I've just about gotten D3 out of my system for the time being as well (unless TM and Hayde want to team up for hardcore after patch 1.0.3 comes out) so I'm ready to hop back on and start grinding to 50 GLA as I want to finish the story and get the timed achievements while they're available.

I do feel for you though man. Honestly, it's bs what they're doing with SMN but at the same time is there no other class you enjoy at all? Aeni and I have been trying to organize Ifrit and other stuff for ages now.

[Aeni]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

First of all, thanks for having my back Aeni... although that last sentence stings a little (not that it isn't true).

Actually, I was grasping at straws with the last line, because I didn't want to look like a dumbass for not knowing what was going on with the LS I was quite sure you didn't "quit" and that you were just taking a "lengthy sabbatical" to take care of IRL and wait for 2.0

@ Mal, Yyg

I agree with your viewpoints about the Summoner class. I don't like the whole idea of this being a "to the best supported player, goes the spoil" bull shit. It's a freaking class and everyone that is seriously playing the class should get access to the avatars. If they said that a super "chou giga" avatar was available that can be summoned only once every month and this is just a "novelty" but otherwise SMNs will still get the full breadth and scope of avatars available to them, that's one thing. It doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen unless all of this is just "lost in translation", which is what I'm really hoping it is.

[cidbahamut]

Re: New Eorzea interview with new information, shocking discoveries, and a train?

Full blown HNM camping to get access to avatars for a limited window of usage.

Same old SquareEnix as ever.