new Classes revealed! PLD, DRK, RNG, BLM, WHM, DRG!!!!

[DakAttack]

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It seems as though they may need to. I don't suppose it would be beyond them to condense the servers for relaunch and give us a few new ones?

[ShepardG]

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Well, looks like they fixed the whole PL thing today with a patch today. Good ridance? Stupid company? Either way you see it, it is what it is.

I personally lost all motivation to log in... AGAIN. I mean i got my GLD from 15 to 23 in like 2-3 hours, and was actually able to tollerate THE FUCKING HORRIBLE INTERFACE, stupid game decisions, if only for that reward of leveling up every 20-30 minutes. meh.

I mean i see these folks that have stuck with the game through this past year and it just blows my mind that they subjected themselves to the horrible server based UI, Laggy response, and ruined economy for whatever reason the had.
I play games to get that "sense of accomplishment"; that "hey i improved my character today" feeling, but with 14 i've never been able to get past the fact that this group of programmers was unable to look outside of their bubble and take valid ideas from other Games, and still make a unique and developed product.
I mean they let you change your gear color A YEAR AFTER THE GAME IS RELEASED...... only...it changes the stats on the gear also >< and reduces the ammount of jobs that can wear it. They even said on the official forums that they didn't want that to be the case but because of the way the entire game was designed they would have to implement it like that. I mean... what kind of fucked up attitude is that.

I pray everyday that I check these and other forums on the internet that I'll open up a web browser and see that they've taken the game offline to finally completely re-do it from scratch, with an economy that deter's RMT, and a UI that is quick and responsive, and a well thought out story that evolves over time. So far, i have been left wanting.

Also, yay job classes...

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Seriously that last post, along with that prayer, I dream of winning the mega ball something to the effect of 140mil after taxes, and investing like 40mil in SE so that I can sit in with their board members and litterly, tell them what sells when it comes to MMO's. I see the WoW model, and I see why it works so well, but i can also see how it could be adapted to 14's stories and lore and made into a whole new style of MMO one that provides depth and long and short term goals/rewards with a smooth interface, thriving economy and free flowing future potential.

As it stands right now, they won't release this for the PS3 ever. I mean PS3 is 5 years old... and the video game websites are starting to talk about the 'NEXT' gen, and at the rate of 14's development, they're not going to be ready for console release until 2014. They need to salvage what respect they have, re-think the game from the ground up, to include the way they even use their amazingly beautiful graphics engine, and re-release a new MMO in 2 years. 11 has potential to maintain enough of a profitable fan base to keep the servers running for another 5 years, let alone 2. and i'm done.... i can't belive i back to back posted this.

Sorry all, had to get some of these opinions off of my chest.

[Kailea]

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Yoshi-P said they would not be doing a character reset. The only time the would is if it was impossible to avoid -- and then they would just restore characters to what each player had before the reset.

but then that would not really be a reset.....


I honestly thing that it needs to all be wiped when PS3 is released, but I know that would not happen as it would cause to much nerd rage, sad really.

[Armando]

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I honestly thing that it needs to all be wiped when PS3 is released

Why?

[Yellow Mage]

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Why?

A misguided sense of justice, most likely. He doesn't perceive it as "fair" that anybody who manage to exploit this before it gets patched will essentially be months ahead of anybody who misses the boat in a matter of hours.

Delicate situations, MMO exploits are; especially if they aren't handled expediently. Of course, this doesn't stop S-E from using a hatchet in lieu of a scalpel (see, Salvage bans, which some people are still butthurt about to this day, which is really saying a lot considering everything that's been changed ever since).

[jenova_9]

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but then that would not really be a reset.....


I honestly thing that it needs to all be wiped when PS3 is released, but I know that would not happen as it would cause to much nerd rage, sad really.

well the positive thing is that by not wiping, they can convince more people to stay and willing to pay to keep the stuff they earned, mew. It would be win/win situation ,mew. People would pay to stay and SE would start making money when subscriptions are up.

In some ways it is a good consolidation gift for PC owners that ranted about the PC launch.

[Taskmage]

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I've probably said this before, but it needs to be easier for people in MMOs to play together, since ostensibly that is the entire point of playing an MMO. This linear power progression that's been carried over from older RPGs throws up barriers between players and is not a good fit for a multiplayer game, which should be evident in the way both players and developers constantly try to subvert the system through mechanics like power leveling and level syncing. Planetside really got it right back in the day with its certification system. You could be level bullshit with a basic rifle and your friend could be partially merged with infinity riding around in a giant hovertank and you could still hook up and experience an epic battle together and recieve rewards for your individual accomplishments. Hell, you could jump up on the back of said tank and man a turret.

In my opinion, an MMORPG would be better served with a progression system more like FFXII's license grid, where your level determines how many licenses you can have active at a time. That way even a total newb can pick up at least one ability that would be useful in a given fight and participate, and there's still plenty of room to progress laterally by expanding the number of things your character can do.

[Armando]

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This linear power progression that's been carried over from older RPGs throws up barriers between players and is not a good fit for a multiplayer game,

I would even argue it's not a good fit for single player games and is mostly a historic hand-me-down from a time where game mechanics were severely limited by the console. But that's another rant altogether.

[Yellow Mage]

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I would even argue it's not a good fit for single player games

Whenever anybody died in Final Fantasy I or Tales of Symphonia, I cringed.

I mean, on the other hand, I'm also the kind of person who killed off everybody else in the party just so Presea could catch up with them in terms of levels. >_>

[Taskmage]

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Whenever anybody died in Final Fantasy I

Automatic reset if it wasn't feasible to run from every fight on the way back to town. If you're in my party you level when everyone else does.

I would even argue it's not a good fit for single player games

It worked well for dynamic difficulty adjustment, and occasionally was well used for gating content when you weren't physically constrained to a linear path. There are other methods of each that are arguably better and less abstract.

[Armando]

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It worked well for dynamic difficulty adjustment

How so? Most games have mobs with static levels, so you can trivialize content by grinding enough. The mob difficulty isn't being adjusted to keep up with you. Worse yet, it's punishing me for not killing enough mobs instead of punishing me for playing stupid. But my real gripe is when it gets in the way of games that are no longer inherently about numbers. I see no point in having to grind 30 extra levels to be able to take on a secret boss in KH.

Then again any leveling scheme could be balanced if devs would place good lower and upper bounds on how much damage you can give and take. The problem isn't so much that level sytems are bad, but that they don't handle under or overlevelling gracefully.

[Taskmage]

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How so? Most games have mobs with static levels, so you can trivialize content by grinding enough.

That's kindof what I mean. If it's too hard for you then you can grind a bit and make it easier. If it's too easy you can breeze through with the minimum number of encounters and your level regresses to the mean. It's a bit crude and sure there have been abuses and bad implementations, but it go the job done generally.

[Yellow Mage]

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Automatic reset

This was why I cringed.

[Armando]

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This was why I cringed.

You probably shouldn't play Fire Emblem, lol.

[cidbahamut]

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You probably shouldn't play Fire Emblem, lol.

Man, fuck that game and it's permanent character death nonsense.

I rage quit the GBA one so hard and people still are all "why u no love Fire Emblem?"

That entire franchise can go die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.