FINAL FANTASY XIV Free Trial Period (EXTENDED)

[jenova_9]

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oh mew, once Musketeer class is added, I think the nickname for them would be Muskie!

"invite some Muskies to the party ,will you, party leader? " That would be sooo kawaiiii! =^^=

[Malacite]

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At least they're trying lol?

Seriously guys, does no one remember all the times people bitched about not getting a rebate for a bit of excessive maintenance on XI?! At least this time they have a legitimate reason to keep extending it. They must be losing a lot of money though by doing this, but then they stand to lose a lot more if they don't.


I'm very happy they did this as I've taken a few weeks off of XIV to play XI again, and this will at least give me a chance to try out the Nov version update to see if the game will infact be tolerable my March. The announcement of the synthesis updates today has piqued my interest once again since they're reducing the amount of cyrstals needed (thank fucking God, time to start stockpiling so I can just go on a Blacksmithing binge) as well as adjusting several recipes.

[Aeni]

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I had already paid up the crystas (a long time ago) and I hope I get to use them ... lol. I don't think they refund these things. Anyway, I should think about creating a 3rd character since it's gonna be free, as a temporary storage for the 20-30 in BSM. Gonna need some gratuitous storage space. Eww.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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This is all I see every time you post.

Well this is what I see every time I see a PC gamer post:



I'll say it again.

You guys encouraged SE to rush this out. You supported them rushing it out at the expense of a simultaneous release for PS3. You played through the beta and even though you saw every little problem the game had, yet you still went out and picked up the retail release as soon as it was available.

You earned this headache. You assumed things would happen that, based on FFXI alone, you knew likely would not happen in time.

SE just did what PC developersalmost alwaysdo - release an incomplete, buggy pile of a game. It is what is accepted in the PC community. "Good and ready" is for handheld and Wii games if its not by Valve on PC, apparently. Don't tell me you're not overlooking the numerous, unacceptable bugs in Medal of Honor: Black Ops or Fallout: New Vegas on PC. Oh, and that's before we even get to map packs and expansions, which will likely fuck those games up all over again.

Not even the almighty Blizzard get unscathed by the wrath of their so-called "fans" and incessant complaints about Starcraft II.

Now, where in the hell does it sound like I'm defending SE in there? Because I'm not, I'm just saying this is the sort of thing PC gamers bring on themselves. Its the way thing work and, sadly, PC developers are starting to taint console gaming with this "we'll just fix it in post-production" bullshit. Square-Enix, a company that will stick to "good and ready" for console and handheld releases is now stooping to this shit.

Took 'em five years to get out Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep and that was just a PSP game. Good and ready. FFXII was in development for four years. People today think that's too long. People are mad Valve won't be releasing Half-Life 2 Episode 3 in 2011. Here's your Portal 2 and Dota 2, though. Zelda: Skyward Sword is coming out when? Seems Nintendo forgot to bring that back up, big surprise there. Is Gran Turismo 5 still coming out this year? I wouldn't be shocked if it got delayed to February or something.

But with most PC devs, its just "rush it out the door, fix it later." This is the standard PC gamers helped encourage and now console gamers expect it, too.

Its a sad state of affairs, really.

[Malacite]

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I'll say it again.

You guys encouraged SE to rush this out. You supported them rushing it out at the expense of a simultaneous release for PS3. You played through the beta and even though you saw every little problem the game had, yet you still went out and picked up the retail release as soon as it was available.

This is a pretty bad Troll attempt even for BBQ... As I recall, the majority of us in the beta were saying just the opposite, myself included.

[Elwynn]

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You guys encouraged SE to rush this out. You supported them rushing it out at the expense of a simultaneous release for PS3.

lolwut?

Show me where PC users were begging SE to release it early. I'm serious.

The only people I saw rushing the PC version were SE trying to jump the next WoW expansion and get on the shelves for the xmas shopping season. The same SE that decided to start a new MMO with a clean slate, ignoring the things that actually worked in FFXI, instead of an FFXI client update to make FFXI more relevant... and still freaking able to run on newer video cards and Win7. I don't think you can even buy XP any more, yet you have to go to SE's web site to get the version of POL that runs on Win7.

And a disclaimer so you don't start jumping on me accusing me of being one of those PC users, I play FFXI on PS2. I'm one of those Mac users, and not amused that SE continues to ignore OS X as a client OS. (One of the many reasons WoW has so many players...)

[Ziero]

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Question for PC players. Would you rather play the game as it is, with minor tweaks coming in Nov-Dec to fix things that shouldn't need to be fixed, or would you rather have the game taken offline, and fixed properly, from the ground up, with a re-release end of March alongside the PS3 version?

You can't put a band aid on a severed limb. It's not going to get better until S-E realizes just how bad they fucked up.

As someone who's already bought and is currently playing the game, yes I would prefer to get free play time rather then them taking the game down completely to fix small, but annoying issues. Especially combined with all the massive changes they've confirmed to have coming within at least the next two months. Heck, when the update hits on the 25th, a lot of the games current issues will no longer be issues. Then when the update in December hits, even more problems will be taken care of. By the time the game finally does hit the PS3 on march, the "Paid free beta" us PC players have been involved in will finally be over and the real FFXIV launch will go off with far more success.

I played the beta, I knew the problems it had at that time. I chose to buy the game at launch because...well...I thought the Garlond Goggles looked kinda cool. I was gonna buy the game eventually so it was really just a choice between pay now or pay later. But since I already paid, I'm gonna use it, and as long as they keep offering free service...I'll keep using it despite it's current problems. Because while it does have a myriad of glaring issues, the game at it's core is pretty fun. I'm a sucker for character customization and detailed art styles, combined with the interactive combat system and in depth (though currently convoluted...but that's getting fixed too) crafting systems, I actually do enjoy playing this game.

Also, I totally wanna get a boat.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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This is a pretty bad Troll attempt even for BBQ... As I recall, the majority of us in the beta were saying just the opposite, myself included.

Which is what you weren't saying before you bugged Dak to get into it. Shall I link the thread for you or did you just plain forget the rabid defense PC gamers put up for SE when PS3 gamers were disappointed in yet another broken promise on a worldwide release from SE.

You guys just went "LOL PS3 Limitations" and defended SE.

And you still bought the retail release, on blind faith in something you knew by history not to be true.

When did FFXI ever get all the quick fixes it needed? I seem to recall RDM being the redheaded stepchild for the first year and half of the game. No specialization and as such, no reason to be invited.

Then they left RNG overpowered for a couple years and their grand solution was to destroy the job and leave it broken for a year and a half to appease all other melees rather than employ a practical solution. And even after breaking RNG, it still took two more years to give DRG all the buffs it needed, though people discovering birds was also a major boon for that job.

Problems SCH and COR had were quickly remedied, but PUP? Took years.

How long did it take to get a windowed mode?

And SMN, PUP and BST - turns out the solution wasn't to make those jobs more versatile to get them into parties, no, we'll just make some really dumb alliance content called Abyssea where anyone can be thrown in and they'll get loads of EXP. This is better than actually finding ways to make the jobs stronger. We'll put them in a zone where the rules are totally different from the rest of FFXI zones and maybe they'll just forget how much their are neglected elsewhere.

Well, until non-Abyssea content comes along. Places where there won't be Blue chests with buffs, free MP and two hour resets in them.

Show me where PC users were begging SE to release it early. I'm serious.

Wow, short term memory working overtime there, huh? Here, let me jog that memory for you:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/gen...cing-info.html

I never said any one begged, but I did say PC gamers defended SE's decision and were ecstatic to get it six months ahead of PS3 gamers. And this thread pretty much proves that one.

Thanks for playing.

[Icemage]

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Wow, short term memory working overtime there, huh? Here, let me jog that memory for you:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/gen...cing-info.html

I never said any one begged, but I did say PC gamers defended SE's decision and were ecstatic to get it six months ahead of PS3 gamers. And this thread pretty much proves that one.

Thanks for playing.

That's dirty pool, BBQ. That thread you linked was from before the beta launched and everyone found out just how broken the gameplay was.


Icemage

[Malacite]

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[ShepardG]

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Rofl, little late on this thread, but yeah nobody had a clue at how disfigured the beta was going to be. All of those "whiney PC players" after seeing beta all realized that it needed more time (much more honestly). You might think the player base was crying to get the game out, but "practically begging" and "highly anticipating" are not the same thing.

I highly anticipated the game, I was highly excited when they said it was releasing this year. Hell I probably made statements like :

"Man I wish SE would release FFXIV soon! I can't wait for that game, i'm so excited!"

But i'll be damned If I meant:

"Man I wish SE would release FFXIV before it's ready to be released, with little to no content, and with broken systems, insane server lag, and hundreds of simple things that should be in at day one, instead left out. I can't wait for that game, i'm so excited"

And you little list of past occurances :

And you still bought the retail release, on blind faith in something you knew by history not to be true.

When did FFXI ever get all the quick fixes it needed? I seem to recall RDM being the redheaded stepchild for the first year and half of the game. No specialization and as such, no reason to be invited.

Then they left RNG overpowered for a couple years and their grand solution was to destroy the job and leave it broken for a year and a half to appease all other melees rather than employ a practical solution. And even after breaking RNG, it still took two more years to give DRG all the buffs it needed, though people discovering birds was also a major boon for that job.

Problems SCH and COR had were quickly remedied, but PUP? Took years.

How long did it take to get a windowed mode?

Is funnie, BECAUSE TANAKA IS RUNNING THE 14 SHOW.

So yeah 11 changed, abyssea is a whole new thing, the DD classes are in a tizzy (seriously BRD can actually DD now) but if you think those things don't apply outside of abyssea your sorely mistaken. BST, SMN, PUP all can handle their own inside of Einherjar T3, or hold their own vs. Ixion, but the thing is most of those jobs require more concentration/understanding/gear than a full perle WAR/SAM who can still retaliate and do higher than 500dmg WS's without swapping his gear.

BBQ, I don't know what to tell you man, I thought the first response to the OP was a valid question.

To answer it:

FUCK yes I'd have loved to see SE come out a month later, apologize, offer full refunds, or optional free months, and just take the game down to work on it. Shit, I'd still love to see that.

Hell i'd love tanaka to do an interview and publicly fucking admit that he failed. Hiding behind half way answer's and sliding around questions does nothing to promote your essence as a strong person. It just makes you look like a corprate tool. Ya know what happens in my life when I fuck something up? I accept responsiblity, I teach others not to repeat my mistakes and I don't try to hide my failures. I remind myself about them all the time, so i never forget them.

Just an ounce of this type of attitude (and I've still never seen an apology, other than: "hang in there guys we'll fix it!") would go miles in my book. Not to mention no publisher that I'm aware of has ever been so open booked about their mistakes. This whole "I can do no wrong" attitude that SE has is sickening. Everyone on this planet fucks up, and the ones who can't admit it are the ones who are gonna fuck up again.

Shit, take the servers off line for the next 6 months, re-release with an actually useful fucking in-game item (oh i don't know maybe something that didn't give movement speed for 15 minutes once a fucking day) that is basically compensatory for the money and time spent at the failed initial launch, and come back, lock your shit up right, and present a clean well thought out game.

I honestly think an apology, an admitted public apology (and that message about the state of the game was not a fucking apology, it was begging it's customers to continue shelling out money so they didn't get fired) would stop 95% of the people bitching on forums. Maybe that's a pipe dream, but i know i'd commend them.


EDIT:
Seriously those fucking boots mad me so fucking made, BECAUSE THE TIME IT TOOK TO EQUIP THEM with the horrible menu lag made me not even bother half the time. I litterly would be like...hmmm gotta run to emerald moss so i don't spend anima.... put on boots? Nah...menu take too long to open.... /sigh

[Aeni]

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(and I've still never seen an apology, other than: "hang in there guys we'll fix it!")

In Japanese corporate and governance circles, apologizing is a big thing, because it's an admission of something that they did was very wrong (a nefarious intent to harm or cause problems and not just simply a mistake or error) and that it also would mean public humiliation and usually precedes (or accompanies) resignation.

With that said, because Square-Enix is more of an international corporation than it ever was in the entirety of its history, an apology in the realm of international relations would go a long way in alleviating a lot of miscontrued and oft-times mischaracterization of the company and the company policies. I would actually find whoever is reponsible for corporate relations with the international community and fire that person. A lot of people underestimate the responsibilities that the international relations position hold and especially that of a management office. The president does not need to apologize personally but should at least have their PR or marketing department issue a company apology for the issues along with the usual promissories of improvements on their product and services.

[ShepardG]

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because it's an admission of something that they did was very wrong

....

which is exactly what they did.

Nobody want's to be fired, but guess what, tanaka near ran 11 into the dirt, and when he finally gave over development to someone else, the game get's somewhat of a "resurgance"... coincedence? probably, but shit what else have you got to go on.

[Aeni]

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....

which is exactly what they did.

Did you read what was in the parentheses? Or are you one of those "selective" type of readers? This "wrong" was not intentional and had no malice behind it. So therefore, in their eyes, there's no need for an apology. It's a cultural difference between the corporate cultures in the U.S. and Japan. You do know that most corporations in the U.S. don't apologize even for malicious intentions to do harm? (See: Goldman Sachs)

[jenova_9]

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I don't believe Tanaka is the kind of person who would choose to release FFXIV before its done.

I think one of the higher ups forced his team to release FFXIV prematurely, mew.