Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I fired it up today with my friends account and even on my weaksause 360M I was able to run with little not no lag. There were a few frame hiccups, but other than that, it was smooth sailing.

I think the OP doesn't know the difference between computer slowdown and connection latency. ROFL.

I am sorry i don't understand that.

When i find tons of post on FFXIVcore, zam, and eoz complaint about the ridiculous lag right now.

I have fraps on the side that give me my FPS all the time. So i can tell when a computer is slowing down or when i am feeling the lag.

The game engine doesn't react to internet lag as much because if you are lagging, your computer just don't show the monster properly on the screen.

computer slow down is when you are having tons of hiccups and your movement are jerky.

I went to 3 different server, from selbina, to lindblum and now @ istory. as of right now i can't even log in ISTORY anymore thanks to the r0 thing.

Here people experiences the same thing:
Problems logging in? :: Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV, FF14) :: ZAM
Game stopped working - FFXIVCore.com - Final Fantasy XIV Fansite

You guys are lucky you have green connection, i am running on a 5MBPS (get 3.5usually) because i live in canada.

AO on/off helped a little, i can't even play any longer. I think i will just give up.

If you guys want, if i ever can log in i will put some videos on youtube and you will see. Talk is cheap when there is no proves.

update: i can log in now @ istory, I have turned both AO on and Depth of field ON, i am @ camp blackbrent and i am hitting 18-25 FPS without any r0. I will check this out further to see if the culprit is really AO or not.

[Malacite]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

You guys are lucky you have green connection, i am running on a 5MBPS (get 3.5usually) because i live in canada.

I"m also Canadian, and am using Rogers Lite atm (3 MBs) of which we get about 2.76. The game runs fine, even with my brother running uTorrent (which amazes me) though we're planning on upgrading our connection thank God.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I"m also Canadian, and am using Rogers Lite atm (3 MBs) of which we get about 2.76. The game runs fine, even with my brother running uTorrent (which amazes me) though we're planning on upgrading our connection thank God.

I am with teksavvy for the unlimited *bell DSL*

after 3 hourish game play in AO on, i don't have r0 at all, pretty green light on Istory, i take the lag is really from the server side.

I was under rainning in camp blackbrent having 15-25 fps. AO+DoF on killed about 10-15 FPS but doesn't seem have connection to speed.

[Malacite]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

lolDSL. That's all I have to say about that.

[Ufgt]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I also live in Canada, in the middle of the mountains, and I use a telus mobile internet stick. I can STILL play it with never hitting r0. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I also live in Canada, in the middle of the mountains, and I use a telus mobile internet stick. I can STILL play it with never hitting r0. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

You even understand that this connection problem is not about ISP but about hardware issue or server wise issue?

I don't know how the internet works but the way FFXIV function is that.

You cast fire, your FFXIV program sent that data into the server. That server replies to your casting (they will start the casting timer too), so now you are shown the "casting" animation, Once their timer ends, they sent you a data telling your program "Your casting is complete, to cancel the animation and give you another data saying "your fire is now casted and hits /miss" and they will sent you another data for your animation.

Something like that.

Now, what i mean when i can run smooth and not showing sign of lag but still eating R0 is that.

Here is my scenario.

I cast fire, my data sent to the FFXIV server. But FFXI did not reply at all, so my animation is stuck on casting fire, but i can still input data/commends. However, whatever i input FFXIV server isn't receiving, so i can run around, jump around, doing anything that doesn't require "DATA REPLY".

Now, your game itself doesn't require any data REPLY, as the worlds and your character movenment and positions are already fixed in the program.

So you can run around @ 60 FPS eating a r0 while you won't see any new monster, new people, nor do anything.

That is an Internet lag nothing performance related i assume.

OK How does all this related to Ambient Occlusion? Well my first guess was that ambient Occlusion require TONS of data replies. Why? I assume FFXIV server calculate all the shadowing as the game have "lighting" effects because of the day and weather changes.

However, it seem to me this isn't the case after playing over 5 hours with AO ON and DEPTH of field ON. (remind you that i have 15-25 FPS, which i think is very playable)

After changing to Istory, i can say, it was because Lindblum/Seblina was well overpopulate and laggy. However, what i don't understand is that, i am using a very clean connection myself.

(i checked with ping google.ca -t 0% packet loss, ran speedtest and connection tests (0 errors) and i did netstat to make sure no weird program using any weird ports or anything weird going on)

I have been running licensed ver of fraps (it shows FPS) and running several PC testing programs to test stabilities.

I don't think this is anything in my hardware, i think this is just SE server can't handle the mass. Reminding you that this is an early release, standard edition in 3 days, how do you think big server going to handle the incomes as some players will definitely join their friends and family on the big servers.

I wish SE did the FFXI force random server.

P.S nothing wrong with my connection, it is a BELL DSL, it was old...but unlimited bandwidth is all i care.

[DakAttack]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

There's no reason a graphical setting should hinder your connection to their servers.

[Aeni]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

There's no reason a graphical setting should hinder your connection to their servers.

This. It's a router issue, a modem issue, a line issue, a drop (CO) box issue ... so many places in that chain where possible failures can ensue.

The best way for anyone with a suspected line issue is to call your telcom (whoever owns the line ... NOT THE COMPANY PROVIDING SERVICE OVER THE LINES) They should be able to do a line test remotely and figure out where the problems are at. They send some data packets with some algorithms which their software can analyze quickly and determine where the trouble lies.

Sometimes it's your drop box (the stuff that's either underground or enclosed in a metallic EMP-shielded case attached to a utility pole, to the side of your house or along the street) and they have to send a repair crew to replace capacitors or any other affected parts. Sometime it's bad lines and they'll need extra time to come by and replace either the cables or the shielding around the cables (being in Canada, let's not rule out wild rodents eating through these cable shielding)

Routers and modems are next in line to investigate after you do the line quality test. You then call the company providing the internet service and have them run remote diagnostics to the modem/router they provided you with. A lot of times these products have custom firmware which allows these types of remote diagnostic checks (and supposedly the source of anti-government ire ... don't ask how these two are remotely related)

After all of that and if they are all checked out fine then you need to look at your own PC. Start with ethernet controller, either your wireless or line-in ... then check drivers and reinstall them again if you already did so. If you have multiple ethernet ports try different ones. If you have a PCI add-on card even better ... make sure it works and then plug-that in and see if you can get better results.

Networking issues are not easy to solve and are time consuming. It is very different from diagnostics you run on your own PC and discovering problems like bad ram, etc.

[wrongfeifong]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

This. It's a router issue, a modem issue, a line issue, a drop (CO) box issue ... so many places in that chain where possible failures can ensue.

The best way for anyone with a suspected line issue is to call your telcom (whoever owns the line ... NOT THE COMPANY PROVIDING SERVICE OVER THE LINES) They should be able to do a line test remotely and figure out where the problems are at. They send some data packets with some algorithms which their software can analyze quickly and determine where the trouble lies.

Sometimes it's your drop box (the stuff that's either underground or enclosed in a metallic EMP-shielded case attached to a utility pole, to the side of your house or along the street) and they have to send a repair crew to replace capacitors or any other affected parts. Sometime it's bad lines and they'll need extra time to come by and replace either the cables or the shielding around the cables (being in Canada, let's not rule out wild rodents eating through these cable shielding)

Routers and modems are next in line to investigate after you do the line quality test. You then call the company providing the internet service and have them run remote diagnostics to the modem/router they provided you with. A lot of times these products have custom firmware which allows these types of remote diagnostic checks (and supposedly the source of anti-government ire ... don't ask how these two are remotely related)

After all of that and if they are all checked out fine then you need to look at your own PC. Start with ethernet controller, either your wireless or line-in ... then check drivers and reinstall them again if you already did so. If you have multiple ethernet ports try different ones. If you have a PCI add-on card even better ... make sure it works and then plug-that in and see if you can get better results.

Networking issues are not easy to solve and are time consuming. It is very different from diagnostics you run on your own PC and discovering problems like bad ram, etc.

That is why you have to trust that tech guy that visit your house when he does the set up. I did what i could, i tested out my routers my set up and everything else as a basic computer user can do.

That is why i am testing hardware and game issue. Because FFXIV use that method i mention to send packet of data to FFXIV server, there is also the possibility that your/my FFXIV program have failures to react to inputs due to hardware/performances failures.

That is how crashes happen when your programs can't do certain things and you force it to do it. After running all possible tests a basic computer user can do, i can only look into softwares issue. Like i said, there is a possibility that AO might exhibit a bug where it request overwhelm data requests which cause a failure in FFXIV responses by mark it as a "smurf" like attack. For example, you cast fire = 1 data input, you walk forward = 1 data input. However, what if AO request over 1000 or even 10000 or even greater data inputs because it require constant changing of the areas to accommodate the shadowing?

I am pretty sure that must gaming server have defenses against attacks and trust me some are pretty as simple as "block 100 inputs data from the same source"

You can guess what happen when you meet that quota. That is where r0 will start because FFXIV no longer reply to you. (r is for receiving). You can sent as much you want, but now FFXIV block your signal which kick you out. That is what i thought AO was causing.

Anyway, i am just doing my own speculation of the whole issue. I am still getting drop once in a while during peak time on Istory. I have asked few people who also have the same problems.

Also there is always the chances that graphic might hinder you but not capable to provide certain commands or not fast enough to responds to certain inputs which cause / induce multiple inputs which can also be guarded by FFXIV servers as "attacks"

[Aeni]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

Not sure what you're talking about and I think you're making this more complicated than it should be. Have you tried contacting your telcom to do a line test? Yes or no? If no, you should do that. Make damn sure your line is good and that it doesn't need replacing. Because anything you do otherwise won't mean anything if the line ends up being the problem, not hardware, not software.

You can also manually (override) automatic hardware detection in Windows and try to change the values for your NIC/ethernet device.

Blizzard Support

^ It's for WoW, yes I know, but should be the same thing for just about any online game. I find Blizzard's support more readily and accurate than SE's so I rely on it for just about any online issue I have even if it's not a Blizzard title.

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That is why you have to trust that tech guy that visit your house when he does the set up. I did what i could, i tested out my routers my set up and everything else as a basic computer user can do.

Also, you're talking about your ISP. I don't care who your ISP is. Who owns your line? Majority of the time it is not your ISP. There's usually a major telcom that owns the line and it's because it originally was laid down to accomodate telephones (copper wire) ... DSL came after and uses those same lines. Unless you're being served fiber, which doesn't sound like that's the case here. Copper wire has a history of degradation and especially if yours was laid down some 40 to 60 years ago. Do you know the history of your lines and who laid them down and how long ago? I bet you don't. Make that call to the telcom and investigate.

[Ufgt]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I'm done with this thread. OP makes my head hurt with terrible logic.

[Paradigm777]

Re: Horrible LAG on CE release! What will happen on SE?

I'm done with this thread. OP makes my head hurt with terrible logic.

Oh I dunno. I found it rather entertaining.