Good argument for EXP handicap

[Malacite]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

And I know 5 people (close friends who have since left the game) that had 1 leveled, between the 6 of us that is 72$ over a month over a few years, with only 1 job each, that is 12 more dollars than you. Now SE is out 60 dollars because they got fed up of not being able to keep up with the newer stuff.

The point is, there are thousands more casual people than those who are hardcore and the longer those people play and feel like they are in the game, the more money SE makes, it doesn't matter if you an every other hard core gamer had 10 accounts maxed characters, you still would pale in domestic size of the casual gamers. It is them who fun the MMO markets, it is them that the majority of MMO games a geared towards.

This is FACT, I don't care if you have 50 accounts, there are still more people who will play casually than you.

How does any of that matter though? Casuals are just playing for fun, they likely really don't care about the non-existent race to the top. And even those who do should honestly chill out and realize that it's not a freaking race. If people want to get ahead, let them damn it. It doesn't hurt you at all.


People who power their way through crafting can theoretically wreck hell on the economy for others, but I just don't see that happening this time around. But again it's an MMO, which means it's a community game to played and enjoyed together with friends. There are no leader boards or any sort of formal competition so why freaking hold back the players who want to play more? What does the casual gamer gain, other than the disgust of those who want to move ahead being forced to progress at the same rate. Imagine if sports leagues started enforcing arbitrary handicaps just because one team or even a single player is better than another?

[Aeni]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

WoW was a far easier game to pull people through though. 10 mans could be done with as low as 6 (or at least we did) 25 mans could be done with under 20 plenty of room to make ends meet. thats 4-5 slots in either that can be used with fillers.

You cannot do ICC10 with 6 people because certain events require you to have extra bodies. Queen Lanathiel is one encounter requiring two tanks due to the shared damage (otherwise that secondary damage will hit the second closest in range of the main tank) and also due to the vampire system you will need as many people as you can and Sindragosa is another due to two frost tombs that she fires off and you're requiring two tanks on that encounter (due to the stacking frost debuffs). In fact, looking at it, you're probably talking about Karazhan because most of the 10 man content in LK requires two tanks and two healers which means either your dps are pulling super phenomenal numbers (at least twice as much as our dps and we already had incredible dps on our roster) or you're just exaggerating a tad bit.

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Our top DPS at the time (We stopped raiding as a guild in March and I stopped playing since April and only recently reactivated this account to hand over controls to a friend who have yet to log on during the times I am available) were stellar ... in fact, nothing short of phenomenal. We ran into AK people once in a WG 25 pug and some of their dps were very envious and tried to act up (immaturely) about it. I know I'm bragging about these guys but they deserve all the credit. Pulling 8-9K dps consistently in 90% 10-man content loot is no small mean feat when so many 25 man players couldn't even come close to within 20% of this with way better gear. The only way you can go through ICC10 with just 6 people (meaning at most, 2 dps) is if your dps players were pulling at least 20k each which I know for a fact is not possible even for 25 man players in HM gear.

[Takelli]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

Not sure if this was posted before but...

Eorzeapedia: Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV, FF14) News, Wiki, Forums, Community and more � Op-Ed: Design Philosophy and the Fatigue System

I suggest you read the replies to it as well.

Edit: Fixed double post...
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This guy makes a good point about why it might be in the game

The only reason why SE has this surplus / fatigue system in the game is because they want to slow down progression because they are very much lacking in end game content. The super hard core player could blow through the game very quickly attain max level then be bored with the game. We had people when ToAU was released who had a level 75 blue mage within 24 hours of the expansion being released.

What their current system is seen as is a punishment as it slows and eventually halts your progression the longer you progress on your chosen class. Players see their choice on what they do with the game being taken away and they don't like it.

If we had a system that rewarded players with bonus exp when for the first few hours after not playing for awhile but higher total EXP totals we wouldn't see nearly as much complaining about it.

SE is doing this to slow down progression, for what reason? Could be so they can keep players from getting max level and keep on paying for the game, or they just don't have much end game yet and they don't want players to get there and be bored. But if they have such a penalty based system it will keep a lot of people from trying the game to start with. Players don't like having what appears to be control in how they play and what they do in the game taken away from them. They rather have a lot more exp to grind and play one class. Its not really a problem if the 0.01% of the player base will play non stop till they reach max level.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

So, following that vein, why don't they just have some endgame content already in the released game? Then hardcore people would be happy and casual people would be happy and they could change their stupid fatigue system to something palitable to both. Or wait...is that too f**king logical for SE to grasp?

[Kailea]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

So, following that vein, why don't they just have some endgame content already in the released game? Then hardcore people would be happy and casual people would be happy and they could change their stupid fatigue system to something palitable to both. Or wait...is that too f**king logical for SE to grasp?

it has been stated over and over that the Surplus EXP system is not even close to as bad as people thought it was, all these thread and all the bitching about it, come from nothing more then some testers with quick mouths and slow brains.

And sorry but an MMORPG that needs endgame content even 3 months after release is bad, and players need to learn some control.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

it has been stated over and over that the Surplus EXP system is not even close to as bad as people thought it was, all these thread and all the bitching about it, come from nothing more then some testers with quick mouths and slow brains.

And sorry but an MMORPG that needs endgame content even 3 months after release is bad, and players need to learn some control.

And what did I tell you about harping your blather at me....stop, use it on someone else.

[Kailea]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

And what did I tell you about harping your blather at me....stop, use it on someone else.

so your going to continue to believe in something based off incorrect info, even though it's been debunked and correct info set in its place?

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

I'm not discussing this with you any more........and I'm not going to tell you again to leave me alone about it either.

[Kailea]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

I'm not discussing this with you any more........and I'm not going to tell you again to leave me alone about it either.

I am not directing this at you only, and I never have, I am directing that to everyone that believed that that BS info to begin with, because that's what it is, BS. I agree with the Dev that got upset, this stupid Surplus thing got way out of hand, and who is to blame? beta testers who don't think things through before they start opening their mouth about things.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

And yes you are directing it at me when you are directly quoting me so don't give me any of that shit.

[Kailea]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

And yes you are directing it at me when you are directly quoting me so don't give me any of that shit.

oh please what ever -.- get over yourself. Just because I quoted you does not mean everything I say in a post is directed right at you.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

If you want to discuss this futher, use PM's.

[Malacite]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

Kitty's playing with old granny fire :O


And believe me it's dangerous >_>b

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

I feel sorry for the poor bastards who were planning on playing this on the PS3. Not only do they have to wait at least 6 months more to play the game but now they'll be faced with a level gap they'll never be able to close until presumably a year or two down the line when the PC users have hit the level cap. I hope none of them were looking forward to playing with their friends who still plan on starting in September.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Good argument for EXP handicap

I'm not fully buying the PS3 thing ... I started XI at CoP release and while I felt like I was playing "catch up" for a long damn time I still managed to get through all the content and eventually ended up getting in the top tier LS on my server. And if you will remember, it took me just under three years to hit my first 75, so I wasn't in any huge rush.

That said, I still just want to be able to grind for twenty hours on a Saturday if the mood strikes me. It's not about not being able to catch up - because until the game is in its decline (like FFXI is now), people will still be able to find groups for missions. I finished CoP more than three years after it came out, and while grouping for it was often difficult, I got through it. Missions like that may even be completely different in XIV, so we don't even know if you'll need a group or be able to solo stuff if you have to. My beef is really with the fact that I can't just sit down and bust out levels, because when I got into a good party in FFXI, I wanted to stay in that party as long as was humanly possible. There were days I would xp and/or merit for eight hours with minimal breaks, sometimes even longer. Grinding isn't necessarily the most fun thing for me, so I try to maximize my efficiency at it - just as in XI, I'd find merit parties that were 25k/hr or bust - simply because I wanted to get it done. I'm just not that happy about being told I can't xp for that long if I choose to. Because as TGM said, it's my monthly fee, let me play the way I want to, dammit.