Mechanics would be great for pvp

[CrimsonDeath]

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I have my reasons why I hate WoW, but its nice to see that you take stabs at me when ever you can, as always.



Suck at WoW? sorry but thats no possible ;p You cant suck at WoW unless you really try to. I played WoW for about 6 months total (quit and rejoined 3 times) and it could not hold my interest, I got into a good guild and got my PLD to 80, again game could not hold my interest, and there for to me, sucks.


and no, the idea of the FFXIV Colosseum is not the same as WoW's For one since SE does not like the PvP idea in general, no endgame gear or any gear (that matters) would be gained from this, is all for entertainment and player sparing, in a tournament style fashion. People could sit in the stand and watch (but not interfere) with the fights going on, and could even place bets on who would win (this idea was kind of iffy). The general idea of the concept, was to bring PvP in the game, give it meaning, but not make "non-PvP" players feel like they have to participate in it to get powerful items.[COLOR="Silver"]

It's entirely possible. It depends on your idea of "suck". My idea of suck is anyone under 2K Rating in Arena. Which is like 85% of the population. If you mean, get level 80, and get into a guild that accepts scrubs, then sure no one sucks at WoW. But based off your story, to me, you suck. And you're not giving WoW a fair representation because you're a jaded scrub who probably wasn't accepted. If it couldn't hold your interest, it's probably because you didn't bother to do everything the game offered. WoW is the market standard now, which means it can't suck. If the majority of the population plays it, it obviously means it's doing something right.

Anyway, the idea for Colosseum sounds exactly the same. Player vs Player, Points, Prizes, and entertainment. It sounds exactly the same in my opinion. Just because it's SE doing it doesn't mean it will be any better. In fact, it will probably be worse since SE does not like PvP, it means they probably don't know a decent way to implement it. Dunno how you can screw up an "arena" type format, but who cares. Either way, if they do add PvP you're probably going to see a lot of people who'd rather do that, than go off and slay dragons in dungeons and save maidens from giant hydras or 2498423098423 tentacled Squid.

[Ziero]

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Like Arena in WoW? No Thanks.

Is the arena in WoW a sport with actual objects and goal posts people have to score in? Or is it just straight up "kill em all" pvp? Because what mentioned was taking a Ballista like sport, you know, where the winners are the ones who score the most goals, not who gets the most kills, and giving it far more support and a much more in depth system. Hell, the thing doesn't even need to use actual combat mechanics, it could be done as some sort of Blitzball-esque game where the point is to win by scoring not by hitting other people.

Either way, if they do add PvP you're probably going to see a lot of people who'd rather do that, than go off and slay dragons in dungeons and save maidens from giant hydras or 2498423098423 tentacled Squid.

Unless people get actual, useful gear from PvP, there will still be a vast majority of players who will ignore it and stick to killing PvE super HNMs for years on end. Iif the rewards are items that A) only act as trophies or B) only affect PvP, then people who like PvP will have something to do and enjoy, while the vast majority of the playerbase can go about their business and ignore something they won't care about.

Basically, there are many types of "PvP" SE could use in this game, ones that are completely different from the basic average 'kill other players' style of PvP. Things like Panktration and Choco-racing in XI could easily be considered PvP as you could directly compete against other people. And Ballista and Brenner were unlike the average PvP you find in MMOs, acting more sports then just being about killing each other, as the winners were the ones who scored the most/achieved the correct goals as opposed to being better at killing people.

That's the type of PvP that should be added to this game. Though a simple PvP Colosseum wouldn't be all that terrible either.

[Takelli]

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I';d love to see some type of Arena PvP in FFXIV. I loved PvP in WoW.

Despite how easy WoW is, playing against other live thinking beings is different and does add more difficulty. That's probably why I enjoyed it so much was cause PvP was the only thing that actually posed a challenge.

Thats the only real reason as to what I liked about WoW. The thing that I hated about WoW was that is was gear based for PvP, not skill. Having great skill, but not the gear, and getting killed by some one with leet gear and almost no skill pissed me off.

I like PvP when its based off of skill, and not gear. Yes, gear should give you a slight edge if you have the time to invest in the gear, but not enough to have almost no skill and destroy anyone who gets near you with out their gear.

A great example in PvP is kinda like how FlyFF did theirs. There was no "leet" gear, only skills that you could activate at any time. Same as GW PvP. That game did PvP the best IMHO as well. Gear gave you a slight edge, increased the damage you dealt slightly, or negate some damage. Increase HP, and regen, as well as mp and regen. But no gear over powered any thing, and anyone with skill and the right skills could beat another. All the classes where pretty well balanced too.

[CrimsonDeath]

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PvP in WoW comes in all shapes. There is Objective Based (Control Bases, Capture Flags, Kill the Main Boss at the end after capturing several towers, use vehicles to break down walls and capture the final goal), and Arena which is just your standard kill the opposing team to win.

You guys must've never played WoW, or been "skilled". I can get on my undergeared alt characters and rock people in good gear. It's understanding concepts, knowing how to play, and using your abilities at their fullest. Gear gives you a slight advantage. More health, more damage, more negation, more regen etc. They seperated PvE and PvP by putting Resilience (Player vs Player Damage Reduction) on PvP gear and not PvE gear. PvE gear focuses more on increasing your damage, not so much your survival. Example: Gives your more damage vs more health. So if you use PvE gear in a PvP setting you're more of a glass cannon. Where as if you use PvP Gear in a PvE setting, you're a wuss.

[Ufgt]

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Gear gives you more than just a slight advantage in WoW.

God, controlled PvP in MMOs just feels so empty.

[CrimsonDeath]

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Gear gives you more than just a slight advantage in WoW.

If you're bad. I am currently playing WoW, and gear upgrades don't change much aside from the look of my character. I kill shit a little faster, and survive a little longer. That's about it. The rest comes from skill.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Agreed. Things change when you're playing a thinking breathing human as opposed to an NPC.

This is probably why people dislike PvP cause they suck at it.

[Kailea]

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It's entirely possible. It depends on your idea of "suck". My idea of suck is anyone under 2K Rating in Arena. Which is like 85% of the population. If you mean, get level 80, and get into a guild that accepts scrubs, then sure no one sucks at WoW. But based off your story, to me, you suck. And you're not giving WoW a fair representation because you're a jaded scrub who probably wasn't accepted. If it couldn't hold your interest, it's probably because you didn't bother to do everything the game offered. WoW is the market standard now, which means it can't suck. If the majority of the population plays it, it obviously means it's doing something right.

Scrub? Jaded? the hell are you taking about, that has to be the dumbest thing I have heard. I tried WoW 3 separate times, trying out many different jobs, and then finally taking a Paladin to 80, and the game never could hold my interest. How in the hell does that make me a scrub? or jaded?

The game' story is weak (yes Warcraft it self is a nice story, but WoW's story is poor) the visuals are god awful, and the game is so easy that I get bored with it very fast. These are valid reasons as to why I myself do not like the game.

I gave WoW a much bigger chance then I have other MMOs, because I liked Warcraft 1-3, but in the end, WoW did not deliver for me.

and yes my Colosseum idea may be a little similar to WoW (even though I have never even heard of it till I looked it up when you mentioned it) but it is not the same.

[Grizzlebeard]

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If you're bad. I am currently playing WoW, and gear upgrades don't change much aside from the look of my character. I kill shit a little faster, and survive a little longer. That's about it. The rest comes from skill.

PvP in WoW is a complete joke, Arena especially so. It's far less about skill than it is about your composition, RMP decimates all now and it has done for a long time so enough with the bullshit about skill mattering. As for gear making no difference in PvP, are you saying Resilience is unimportant? Just out of interest which class do you play in PvP? Rogue or Paladin?

[Cyprius]

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"WoW" stands for World of Warcraft.

[D34ThWi5h]

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Scrub? Jaded? the hell are you taking about, that has to be the dumbest thing I have heard. I tried WoW 3 separate times, trying out many different jobs, and then finally taking a Paladin to 80, and the game never could hold my interest. How in the hell does that make me a scrub? or jaded?

The game' story is weak (yes Warcraft it self is a nice story, but WoW's story is poor) the visuals are god awful, and the game is so easy that I get bored with it very fast. These are valid reasons as to why I myself do not like the game.

I gave WoW a much bigger chance then I have other MMOs, because I liked Warcraft 1-3, but in the end, WoW did not deliver for me.

and yes my Colosseum idea may be a little similar to WoW (even though I have never even heard of it till I looked it up when you mentioned it) but it is not the same.

Your big accomplishment was taking a class to 80 which the game doesnt even really start to 80 not to mention that can be done in like a months time on WoW. You obviously didnt give arena a decent try and I doubt u ever got your char in full epics to give raiding a try the graphics arent god awful they are a different breed just like WoW and FFXI are absolutly different games and the story isnt one big questline like it is in FFXI so I have no idea what story you were following

PvP in WoW is a complete joke, Arena especially so. It's far less about skill than it is about your composition, RMP decimates all now and it has done for a long time so enough with the bullshit about skill mattering. As for gear making no difference in PvP, are you saying Resilience is unimportant? Just out of interest which class do you play in PvP? Rogue or Paladin?

RMP is accually one of the weakest comps atm with the addition of Spellcleaves / Shatterplays / Hunter comps / Spriest , Rogue , X so you have no idea what your talking about I play RMP at 2200 and Mage Rogue at 2500 and the comps are in no way overpowered atm if anything they are weak compared to the other cookie cutter builds out there sorry for any1 who read this and has absolutly no idea what im talking about

[Kailea]

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I gave WoW a fare chance, I raided, I PvPed, I tried many aspects of the game, and nothing could hold my interest in it, is that such a huge problem that I can not dislike a game? You really need to lay off the WoW fanboy bars.

[Yestopvp]

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STOP FEEDING THE PVP HATING INTERNET TROLLS. they go around every sight that pops up when they search ffxiv pvp and bash anyones opinion on pvp. they will continu this till you ignore them or they get you banned or get the forum closed. its been done on to many ffxi sites. this is their goal and only purpose in life i believe just ignore them.


All i wish is that they make pvp more accessable when they add it. I love FF series as much as the next person and in my opinion pvp should be in it, and those who dont wana participate dont have to. but if SE wants to make me and all my friends money every month then they better add some pvp soon after the endgame or otherwise i will get bored and go searching else where for my gaming desires.

[cidbahamut]

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STOP FEEDING THE PVP HATING INTERNET TROLLS. they go around every sight that pops up when they search ffxiv pvp and bash anyones opinion on pvp. they will continu this till you ignore them or they get you banned or get the forum closed. its been done on to many ffxi sites. this is their goal and only purpose in life i believe just ignore them.


All i wish is that they make pvp more accessable when they add it. I love FF series as much as the next person and in my opinion pvp should be in it, and those who dont wana participate dont have to. but if SE wants to make me and all my friends money every month then they better add some pvp soon after the endgame or otherwise i will get bored and go searching else where for my gaming desires.

Do you understand the concept of a niche market?

[Yellow Mage]

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STRAW MAN

Howdy.

I personally know gay people that flame less than you.