Alpha Manual details uncovered! Gameinformer has the secrets!

[Ziero]

Re: Alpha Manual details uncovered! Gameinformer has the secrets!

And what about races??

What about races?

in Final Fantasy 1, Ninjas used MP for their magic. So that is enough example they could change the rules how Ninjas use their magic.

and Ninjas in the traditional Job-based of Final Fantasies were known for their dual-wield ability.

Dual wield was to Ninjas as Jump was to Dragoons/Lancers (and Lancer is confirmed to have a Jump-like ability in FFXIV,
even though it's basically Super Jump.) the Throw concept wasn't adopted by Ninjas until FFIV.

But anyways people's hate towards Ninja based on FFXI is unfair. But I guess popularity has its drawbacks.

With or without dual-wield/throw/shadows, Ninjas can still be fun and useful in FFXIV.

FF1 is a really terrible example as back then Ninja was just an upgrade from Thf, could use simple Black magic spells and just about any weapon and armor, including plate iirc, in the game. And ninjas started throwing things in FFIII with the Shuriken, where every time it was used it would have to be re-equiped.

In XIV, there is already an entire system in place for people using two weapons, and apparently Fencer will make use of this system in an offensive fashion (as opposed to Gladiator, who will be doing so in a defensive way). It also seems that just about every job has some sort of special ranged throwing attack already. Combined with, I believe Lancer (maybe Pug), already having an ability to create a 'shadow image' to absorb an attack, and just about everything that made Nin unique has already been added to the game.

I'm not saying that Ninja can't work in XIV or even that I 'hate' the job at all, but I am saying that if it were even added some how it might not resemble any kind of previous incarnation of Ninja in any way shape or form. With the currently known weapon types, as well as the dat mined Job Abbreviations, we do know that there won't be any real Ninja class in the game in the near future though.

Whoot! Fencer! Hope they are as bad ass as I hope they are!

Could you link to the thread that has the list?

The original post was made in the Alpha/Beta thread, but a new topic specifically speculating the new job info can be found here:

[ame=http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92013]New Classes Discovered - Order of the Blue Gartr[/ame]

[jenova_9]

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what did the dat mine Job abbreviations find?


Other than the Land/Hand classes we already know about?

oh I see

FNC = Fencer (Uses a Rapier)
ENF = Enforcer (Uses a Mace)
MSK = Musketeer (Uses a Gun)
MYS = Mystic (Uses a Mystic Weapon

hmmm I dunno about Fencer. Gladiators could have just as easily wielded rapier type weapons. But at least this confirms GLA isn't
going to be the "all swords class" people thought it would be.

this means katanas might get its own class. and they did confirm new classes will be 100% added through updates, instead of expansions.

[Takelli]

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The original post was made in the Alpha/Beta thread, but a new topic specifically speculating the new job info can be found here:

New Classes Discovered - Order of the Blue Gartr

Thanks. Too bad theres no videos of a fencer in game. I sure do hope they are as great as I think they would be.

[Ziero]

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There's probably not even going to be confirmation about Fencers until at least the second Beta, if at all. Right now these are nothing but names in the dats. So I wouldn't get too excited until SE actually posts their names up on the main site.

what did the dat mine Job abbreviations find?

Other than the Land/Hand classes we already know about?

oh I see

FNC = Fencer (Uses a Rapier)
ENF = Enforcer (Uses a Mace)
MSK = Musketeer (Uses a Gun)
MYS = Mystic (Uses a Mystic Weapon

hmmm I dunno about Fencer. Gladiators could have just as easily wielded rapier type weapons. But at least this confirms GLA isn't
going to be the "all swords class" people thought it would be.

this means katanas might get its own class. and they did confirm new classes will be 100% added through updates, instead of expansions.

You missed about 6 new classes on your list, though most of them are DoH and DoLs.

And while it's entirely possible for new weapon types to lead to new classes, it's not something I would be expecting for at least a year+ after the game is released. Hell, we don't even know if these classes will be playable at launch. I mean, right now the whole system is fairly balanced, 8 War, 4 Magic, 8 Hand and 4 Land disciplines, so I can't see them throwing the system out of whack for a long time.

[Takelli]

Re: Alpha Manual details uncovered! Gameinformer has the secrets!

There's probably not even going to be confirmation about Fencers until at least the second Beta, if at all. Right now these are nothing but names in the dats. So I wouldn't get too excited until SE actually posts their names up on the main site.

I'm not. Just a bit surprised that they are actually doing a Fencer class.

Just like the others. Some of them seem like they would be even more interesting. Could be MANY classes at launch, or just the few that they are showing. Just hope that they don't have too many at launch, or crazy unlock quests.

[jenova_9]

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oh don't get bought by their idea of treating crafting classes as actual "Jobs". Because even when they get some kind
of battle effecient abilities, they aren't going to rival the War and Magic classes.


Well it's possible the ones listed will be ready at launch, they already have musketeer npcs using pistols, complete with animations, so it sure is to be one of the launch classes.

I dunno about Fencer and Enforcer. Sounds like just cousins of Gladiator and Marauder.
Fencers might be just RDMs with no magic.

Enforcers.......what's so fun about wielding a mace compared to an axe? What could they possibly bring
to the table that Gladiators and Marauders and possibly a future Dark Knight-type class would already cover?

[Solymir]

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If they did have a "ninja" class what could it be called? They have not reused any of the job names from FFXI, so likely won't reuse ninjar.

[jenova_9]

Re: Alpha Manual details uncovered! Gameinformer has the secrets!

- Weapons / Great Swords (oh maybe Dark KNight will use this, or Scythe if there are any.)
- Weapons / Precious Swords (hmmm. Samurai believe their swords are precious.)

If they did have a "ninja" class what could it be called? They have not reused any of the job names from FFXI, so likely won't reuse ninjar.

Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Shadow Agent, Night Blade, Assassin, etc.

[Solymir]

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Night Blade

Squee! j/k

Duel wielders unite and become Pugilists.

"Not that I'm a pistoleer...or a knifesmith like that greaser... Chavez-Chavez, over there. I'm pugilist. But then I ain't expecting... you to know the explanation of that word... HOG BOY!"

[Pwnagraphic]

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What about races?

I clearly highlighted it.


That sounds familiar Solymir.

[Kailea]

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I clearly highlighted it.


That sounds familiar Solymir.

not all the races of the ones we know about right now, can be used, that's what they mean in that statement.

[Ziero]

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Enforcers.......what's so fun about wielding a mace compared to an axe? What could they possibly bring
to the table that Gladiators and Marauders and possibly a future Dark Knight-type class would already cover?

Giant two handed shields? I mean people wanted great hammers added to XI for years so , and seeing as how the new classes don't really have to fit the traditional concepts of previous job classes, they could easily make a class that uses clubs much different then a class that uses Great Axes and Scythes. Hell, these guys could be a purely defensive/crowd control class that focuses only on keeping mobs at bay. Where Gladiator can change modes, they could use Enforcer as just a pure rock of a class.

But then again, why would it even need to do something different? Just like how XI had multiple classes designed for the same role, why can't XIV? I mean in the end it's not what they do, but how they do it that makes a class fun. Much like you're so amped about how ninja can be in this game...but what could they do that would be special? DW, throwing items, shadows, light, fast melee and a high evasion low defense class already exist in XIV. But because none of them do things the way a 'Ninja' would (in your mind at least) you want to see a more Ninja-like class added. Not because they're do something different, but because they'll do the same old things in a completely different way.

I clearly highlighted it.

As Kailea pointed out, not all races (Mi'quote) are playable in the Alpha, just like not all clans or even genders are usable. Right now I believe it's only Sea Wolfs, Male Midlanders, Female Foresters and Female Plainsfolks in the alpha build.

[Solymir]

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Mis'quote Mis'quote

I'm just teasing.

[Pwnagraphic]

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As Kailea pointed out, not all races (Mi'quote) are playable in the Alpha, just like not all clans or even genders are usable. Right now I believe it's only Sea Wolfs, Male Midlanders, Female Foresters and Female Plainsfolks in the alpha build.

Oh.. didn't know Mi'qote weren't playable.

But I don't qualify male and female counterparts as additional races O.o.. as Kailea pointed out BREAKING THE NDA I JUST NOTICED!!!

[Kailea]

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Oh.. didn't know Mi'qote weren't playable.

But I don't qualify male and female counterparts as additional races O.o.. as Kailea pointed out BREAKING THE NDA I JUST NOTICED!!!

*hits Pwn up side the head* hush... dont get me started.