FFXIV plz dont kill WoW

[Lmnop]

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Not wishing to head too far off topic but I am with you on this, the new LFG system in WoW IMO has been a massive sucess and the benefits far outweight the tiny problems it has created. The only real downside to the system is that you can now behave like a complete ass in your PUG or you can just outright leave after the boss you wanted loot from is killed because you know you will vanish back to your own server and never see the 4 people you just abandonded ever again (probably). Apart from this one issue the reduced travel time and easy (well easier) location of tanks and healers has been a overwheling plus to the game.

I don't disagree with you at all, but I think you missed what I was saying.

I have a few WoWing friends and they were talking about the current auto-PUG system. When I had it explained to me, I couldn't help but feel that it was very bureaucratic. Like Brazil (the Terry Gilliam movie; not the country). All sorts of "here's the way we do it because we're so bloated and cumbersome that we need billions of additional services to function."

[Jei]

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I think the auto-PUG isn't all that bad. I wouldn't want to be put in groups automaticly. But the way the game lets you input different information in different fields would be very helpful when you search for specific roles in FFXIV. Instead of showing everything and let the player read out their comments. Especially with the armory system where the class can train however they want. Instead if looking for a "disciple of war", being able to specifically look for anyone who can "tank" would make searching for party members a whole lot easier.

I don't disagree with you at all, but I think you missed what I was saying.

I have a few WoWing friends and they were talking about the current auto-PUG system. When I had it explained to me, I couldn't help but feel that it was very bureaucratic. Like Brazil (the Terry Gilliam movie; not the country). All sorts of "here's the way we do it because we're so bloated and cumbersome that we need billions of additional services to function."

[Maju]

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The auto-pug system sounds awful. Just like the cross-realm battlegrounds, it'll serve to dilute the player community further. Servers pretty much stopped having an identity when the battlegrounds were merged and I can't see this and the rampant server migration helping matters.

Can't comment on this as I haven't played WoW beyond the free trial (which honestly was enough for me) but Warcraft has had a pretty epic story to it if you played 1-3 and read the manuals for all the back story. The novels are also pretty damned good. Blizzard knows how to spin a good yarn.

WoW is different. In pre-WotLK WoW the little story tidbits you find are almost always side stories pertaining to a specific zone (stop the blood elves' experiments in the Netherstorm) or a specific NPC (Trion reforms the Order of the Silver Hand). In TBC they introduced some over-arching story content with the demon invasion at the beginning of the expansion, which was really just a way to explain why people can go to the Outlands. Then there is the whole Illidan/Kael'thas/Vashj deal which is pretty much introduced and solved in a few quests that culminate in those respective boss fights.

WoW shows you a ton of text and NPCs but very little of it has any relevance to the story of the entire game. Mostly you just solve local issues.

Now, WotLK has actually introduced some cut scenes to the game as well as some other nifty things like zone phasing. It's still nowhere near the level of FFXI, though.

[Aksannyi]

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The zone phasing thing was kind of cool. Entire areas would become completely different after you finished a series of quests. Back when I was playing WoW I wanted to get some help on a quest from CK but he had done that series before me and he couldn't help with them because our versions of the zone were completely different. That was just really cool to me.

[Firewind]

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Zone Phasing was cool but it sucked if you missed a quest and couldn't get it again or if you are trying to help a friend through it later. I do like how FFXI sort of had it with WoTG. How it was possible to access different areas by hopping between past and present. I really liked that concept.

hehe similar thing in Star Trek Online right now, there is one boss, called the Crystalline Entity.....

the way to kill it is very simple, and has been told to the player mass many many times....


1) Have everyone fly around it in the same direction, so that the small fragments follow everyone but dont touch anyone....

2) Destroy the big fragments so they dont break into smaller ones

3) shoot the crap out of the CE and dont use Torpedoes or mines at all during the fight.

I mean really, even to anyone who has not played STO, can get this simple thing right?.... Because the player base cant -.-

People where complaining that it was to hard, and I told them that if they had to fight anything in STO that required eve half the thought it took to kill a boss in FFXI, they would crap their pants.

Warhammer Online had quite possibally the most hialrious boss fights in an MMO I've played. They are just as likely to gltich out and insta-rage on spawn, forcing you to reset the instance then they are to act normally or just simply do nothing .

Reminds me of one Tomb instance (Tombs are more like 6 man BCNMs then actual dungeons since you have to earn Glyphs from repeatable Public Quests (WAR's FoV system) to be able to enter) I had with my guild. Basically it involved staying within a certain range of him so he wouldn't keep smapping a knockback attack to knock you to off the platforms you were standing on and to the floor which puts a nasty DoT on you (kills even tanks in seconds if you don't get off it fast). Basically the boss froze and stopped moving, only attacking anythone within melee range who would get one shotted. Basically everyone was stuck there spamming ranged attacks on him until the actual rage timer kicked in and he wiped us. The vent chat for that Tomb fight was hilarious.

[Yestopvp]

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ok right before i deployed i started playing WoW for a solid 4 months, but thats about all it took for me to be done. First off its way too easy, and the player community is horrible. The group play is pretty much Zerg through every instance b/c ur a pld and can tank 5000 things at once, theres no real calculation to anything, and after u get the best gear you can possibly get, it becomes junk the second the new expansion pack is done being installed on your computer. At least the FFXI tards are few and far in between and at least tolerable. WoW feels like one of every four players is either 10 years old or just plain derka derka... im really hoping FFXIV isnt going to be the WoW killer, b/c I like the player community here, and am not looking forward to tards migrating in masses

with the new sytem they are adding i would think it will be very similar to wow. SE will have to make new content all the time to kkeep up with the players who cap out fast. i know ffxi took for ever to capp out your char but ffxi was not solo friendly. You will see alota people caped early in this game hope SE dont take to long to add some endgame raiding type content.

[TheGrandMom]

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And you know people are going to be able to easily solo because...? And that people will easily level cap because...? I've been following all the info and I've seen no evidence of that whatsoever. So please link me.

[Kailea]

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You will see alota people caped early in this game hope SE dont take to long to add some endgame raiding type content.

no you wont ;p

[DakAttack]

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no you wont ;p

You might. Whenever they released a new job there were players who had it at 75 within only a few days. That's fscking crazy as hale.

[Yestopvp]

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And you know people are going to be able to easily solo because...? And that people will easily level cap because...? I've been following all the info and I've seen no evidence of that whatsoever. So please link me.

Well im goin off the videos i have seen of it. they seem to have been soloing stuff..... as for how do i know they will cap faster? well i would imagine if people was killing more stuff in ffxi rather than standing around in aht urgan doing nothing. they would have caped out faster. Just my opinion tho. if you want links you can google the stuff just as easily as i did srry im not going back threw searching for crap, cuzz i have nothing to prove to you...

[Takelli]

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Well im goin off the videos i have seen of it. they seem to have been soloing stuff..... as for how do i know they will cap faster? well i would imagine if people was killing more stuff in ffxi rather than standing around in aht urgan doing nothing. they would have caped out faster. Just my opinion tho. if you want links you can google the stuff just as easily as i did srry im not going back threw searching for crap, cuzz i have nothing to prove to you...

The reason people just stand in Aht Urgan is either they are waiting for a party, or they are just AFK, or chatting with their friends.

On your first job to 75, it takes alike 6-7 months for a good amount of the community. Second it takes about 2 months for the rest of them. The reason being, level cap quests and sub jobs.

In FFXIV, it will still take a while to get to max. I'm sure with the way they have it, being able to solo easier, they will increase the exp needed to gain levels so that you can't just sit there and grind away none stop. I'm sure most of the people who reach cap in a few days don't have a social life either, and they don't have many people they actually talk to in game. The ones who take their time to reach max level are the ones who actually enjoy the game.

[Yestopvp]

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The reason people just stand in Aht Urgan is either they are waiting for a party, or they are just AFK, or chatting with their friends.

On your first job to 75, it takes alike 6-7 months for a good amount of the community. Second it takes about 2 months for the rest of them. The reason being, level cap quests and sub jobs.

In FFXIV, it will still take a while to get to max. I'm sure with the way they have it, being able to solo easier, they will increase the exp needed to gain levels so that you can't just sit there and grind away none stop. I'm sure most of the people who reach cap in a few days don't have a social life either, and they don't have many people they actually talk to in game. The ones who take their time to reach max level are the ones who actually enjoy the game.

Yea it accualy took me over 2 years to get my first 75 ~,~ but that was more so cuzz i did pvp in the lower caps and it took around 6 hours to do 3 matches lol. just bout my whole game time. I hope it still does have that good grind that ffxi had. just without the standing around part...

[Takelli]

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Yea it accualy took me over 2 years to get my first 75 ~,~ but that was more so cuzz i did pvp in the lower caps and it took around 6 hours to do 3 matches lol. just bout my whole game time. I hope it still does have that good grind that ffxi had. just without the standing around part...

Yea, so you took your time and enjoyed the game, unlike the others who grinded straight to cap to do end game. There will be people who do that in FFXIV as well.

I doubt there will be a lot of "standing around" in FFXIV though. Mainly because you can actually SOLO in this game unlike FFXI. I hated the grind in FFXI at times though. Sitting there whacking away at the same mob, hitting the same macro over and over again got boring. Maybe there will be a less grindy feeling in this game, and more of a action type of feel, kinda like Dragon Age.

[Yestopvp]

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Yea, so you took your time and enjoyed the game, unlike the others who grinded straight to cap to do end game. There will be people who do that in FFXIV as well.

I doubt there will be a lot of "standing around" in FFXIV though. Mainly because you can actually SOLO in this game unlike FFXI. I hated the grind in FFXI at times though. Sitting there whacking away at the same mob, hitting the same macro over and over again got boring. Maybe there will be a less grindy feeling in this game, and more of a action type of feel, kinda like Dragon Age.

I hope not. As for the grind is mostly what i miss about ffxi. i like how it took a long time to gain lvls and how hard it was to cap out weapon skills and profesions. I realy loved the CS something thats realy lacking in alota mmos. And yea i can tell you this if i have to stand around and kill a million tank and spank birds i probably gona get burnt in a matter of weeks thats not the kinda grind im looking for. in ffxi @ first seems like more of a chalenge cuzz was not many site on it that helped out, and the lvl grouping seperated the players way to much. but it was fun learning and exploying the world, learning where to lvl @. i hope they dont lose this aspect of the game.

[Pwnagraphic]

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ok right before i deployed i started playing WoW for a solid 4 months, but thats about all it took for me to be done. First off its way too easy, and the player community is horrible. The group play is pretty much Zerg through every instance b/c ur a pld and can tank 5000 things at once, theres no real calculation to anything, and after u get the best gear you can possibly get, it becomes junk the second the new expansion pack is done being installed on your computer. At least the FFXI tards are few and far in between and at least tolerable. WoW feels like one of every four players is either 10 years old or just plain derka derka... im really hoping FFXIV isnt going to be the WoW killer, b/c I like the player community here, and am not looking forward to tards migrating in masses

Hmm.. I am confused to why you want WoW to stay and not for XIV to be a WoW killer.

You seem more pro XIV than WoW since nothing positive was said. Maybe you like easy paths in life? I dunno. Supposedly you're in the military, and that isn't easy, so I don't understand lol.