FFXIV Storyline revealed!

[Pwnagraphic]

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Yes. New game, new experience please.

[jenova_9]

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ya or else people will still rant about it being Vana'diel 1.5 >.>

I wonder if Rogaedyn and Miquote will have two genders in character creation?
They should set it different from Galka and Mithra.

[Ziero]

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None of those things I mention happen in FFXI.

Except they all happen. All the beastmen races in FFXI have different beliefs and values. All of them have their own ways of thinking, living, and different reasons for fighting. They don't have to outright attack each other for them to not get along. Which btw, it was never stated Beast tribes in FFXIV would attack each other, just that there was "trouble amongst the Banzoku tribes themselves". In FFXI, the beastmen tribes don't like each other, but they still work together similar to how the player races do. This exact same sentiment will also appear in FFXIV, according to FFXIV's own devs.

A. In FFXI a Quadav doesn't attack a Yagudo. There are indications that this might be happening in FFXIV.

B. You refuse to accept anything other than your view is possibility and the arguments you use aren't convincing us since there is no concrete proof of how the game will be.

C. My assertations are based on speculation and the only reply you give is refer me to things non-related like graphic and basic storyline point comparing them to FFXI.

D. Just because I don't agree with you that that similarity existing means that you are right in believing beastmen in FFXIV will act just like the ones in FFXI doesn't mean I"m ignoring similiarities in graphics and story.

A) No there aren't, not anymore there there's indication of player races being able to attack each other.

B) Dev comments and the official story are "concrete" proof enough that both games will have a similar feel and setting storywise.

C) What graphics have I referred to? I'm saying that the basic background storylines between FFXI and FFXIV are similar so of course I'm going to give examples relating to basic storylines. You're speculating what might be and I'm pointing out what actually is. Things will be different once we get into the game and start playing, but at this point it's clear that FFXIV's setting shares a lot in common with FFXI's. Far moreso then any other two main series FF games to date.

D) Everything the dev's have described so far about the Banzoku, outside of their summoning of giant primal gods, can also be attributed to how the Beastmen in FFXI acted. Numerous tribes of sentient creatures each with their own personal values and beliefs who fight for different reasons with the only real commonality between the majority of them is their hatred of the player races.

Saying a Banzoku looks like a Mamool Ja doesn't indicate it will act like a Mamool Ja so how is that a proof there might not be a faction of Banzoku that will cooperate with humans? There isn't. That's my point.

First off, who in the hell mentioned Mamools? Second, in FFXI Goblins and Qirins (hell, even Yagudos in the far east) work with humans, so how would it be different if a race of "Banzoku" worked with humans in FFXIV? Who even suggested the chance that there wouldn't be a race of "Banzoku" who don't work with the players?

I just don't understand how a few story points and similiar graphics prove the beastmen will behave exactly the same. You never site what the Devs for FFXIV have said as proof.

Because even the planner of FFXIV likens the Beast Tribes to FFXI's Beastmen.

The term Banzoku is actually used to describe a variety of different tribes, which differ in values. One group, for instance, values unrestrained freedom. The various tribes have different ways of thinking, living, and different reasons for fighting, and their numbers differ.

The common point amongst these Banzoku tribes is that they view adventurers/players as enemies. Sato likened the naming to how, in FFXI, the Orc, Quadav and Yagudo tribes, who served as enemies to adventurers, were grouped together as Beastmen.

At this point I don't even know what in the hell you're arguing against since a lot of your counter points are to things that were never said. Right from the start, SE Devs said they wanted to make FFXIV feel familiar to those who've played FFXI for years and they're doing so by giving FFXIV a familiar setting to what FFXI had. Everything else about the game can, and as far as I know, will be completely different. But the blatant and intentional similarities between XI and XIV are growing the more and more we learn about it. And as far as the "Banzoku" go, they're being set up to work in a very similar, if not nearly identical, way that the Beastmen in FFXI worked. Going by what we know, the Banzoku are literally the Beastmen of FFXIV.

[fairyoracle75]

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Which btw, it was never stated Beast tribes in FFXIV would attack each other, just that there was "trouble amongst the Banzoku tribes themselves". In FFXI, the beastmen tribes don't like each other, but they still work together similar to how the player races do. This exact same sentiment will also appear in FFXIV, according to FFXIV's own devs.

First off the attacking each other is an example of what "trouble" it could mean. You are claiming that the "trouble" can only be the beastmean "don't like each other but they still work together." The devs never have said that either so that is speculation on your part. If they have said absolutely that "the beastmen don't like each other but they still work togther similiar to how the players races do in FFXI" in FFXIV please quote it. You only quote where a dev "likens" them to the FFXI beastmen. A likening or comparison can be of very differnt things that share a small common trait. Shakespeare said of a woman "Shall I compare thee to a summer's day" and that didn't mean the woman was actually a season just something reminded him of a quality in summer. The common trait of the majority would be hatred of player races but he doesn't say they will all behave like that. Our most recent quote confirms that they all won't behave like that.

That quote also doesn't say the beast men will be united againt players it does say:

Sato likened the naming to how, in FFXI, the Orc, Quadav and Yagudo tribes, who served as enemies to adventurers, were grouped together as Beastmen.

All he's saying is the "Beast Tribes" in FFXIV will collectively be called "Banzoku" just like yags, orc etc ere collectively referred to as "Beast Men" in FFXI. In fact the entire quote is just saying Banzoku is the name the "Beast Tribes" are know as in the game despite what race they are. Its not saying what you claim at all.

The term Banzoku is actually used to describe a variety of different tribes, which differ in values. One group, for instance, values unrestrained freedom. The various tribes have different ways of thinking, living, and different reasons for fighting, and their numbers differ.

The common point amongst these Banzoku tribes is that they view adventurers/players as enemies. Sato likened the naming to how, in FFXI, the Orc, Quadav and Yagudo tribes, who served as enemies to adventurers, were grouped together as Beastmen.

I also see why you aren't understanding what I'm saying now. You are assuming "tribes" is referring to different "races" . You're therefore interpretting the "trouble amongst the Banzoku tribes themselves" in FFXIV as equal to Quadav thinking different than Yagudo in FFXI. However, this statement could also mean one faction of Banzoku race will think differently than another Banzoku of the same race and this might make gameplay drastically different.

You mention Ghesso from TOAU but that's only seen in cutscenes. You can't walk into Giddeus and do a quest for a Yagudo there and then have him consider you a friend. We won't have a Quadav fighting along with us against another Quadav. The closest we get to that in FFXI is a Quirin Freelancer who fight beast men of other races.

Factions existing between differing tribes made up of the same race now seems very likely because of something FFXIV said about Miqo'te. Let's compare that to Mithra in FFXI.

FFXI you can only choose a playable Mithra which is a member of a united people in thier way of thinking who come from the Mithra settled in the mainlands.

In FFXVI the Devs have said that there will be two distinct groups of playable mithra:

Since then, the Miqo'te's have diverged into two physically distinguishable groups - the diurnal Seekers of the Sun and the nocturnal Keepers of the Moon.

These two groups or "tribes" will not have the same belief system according to the devs therefore there is disaggreement in one "race". A tribe can be a factional one based on Philosophy made up of the same race. For example, there are many African Tribes who are all of one race that don't think the same at all. The Seeker of the Sun Miqo'te Tribe and the Keepers of the Moon Miqo'te Tribe have different philosophies.

Tanaka has said:

There will also be factions within each race from which to choose, possibly the ones mentioned in descriptions on the official site. For example, a Miqo'te could belong to the Seekers of the Sun or Keepers of the Moon. While this change does not have an impact on the story, Tanaka indicates they may add more aspects to the game that further differentiate the factions.

If this is the case for the player races why wouldn't the devs mirror this among beastmen? This could well be what "trouble" is among the Beast Tribes. This seems to be supported by the paragraph this whole debate started over. After mentioning the Garlean Empire, the Beast Tribes and the People of Eorzea it says:

Eorzea is now a three-way deadlock between the “people” of the empire and the “people” of the beast tribes, and adventurers sometimes get caught in the crossfire. According to the setting, the two are irreconcilable, but they do say the enemy of an enemy is a friend… not to mention, not all beast tribes view humans as enemies, and there may be those that live peacefully, those that betray, and even those that try to make deals with humans.

So it sounds like some beastmen might side with the Garlean's and some with the people of Eorzea politically or something to do with war. Which is different since, your favorite analogy, Goblin's and Quirin are only merchants and not representives from their governments seeking to "make deals with humans".

The "people of the empire" and the "people of the beast tribes" are in a "deadlock" which means they are fighting eachother. Where in Vanadiel do we see beastmen opposed to the Shadow Lord?

The next sentence shows not all beast men will feel this way since though "the two are irreconcilable" though "they do say the enemy of an enemy is a friend" so this suggest some beastmen might side with the Garlean's against the 3rd in the "deadlock" the people of Eorzea. So you are right some will attack the players but you are wrong in all the beastmen uniting against us because the next part of the sentence reads "not all beast tribes view humans as enemies, and there may be those that live peacefully, those that betray, and even those that try to make deals with humans."

Everything the dev's have described so far about the Banzoku, outside of their summoning of giant primal gods, can also be attributed to how the Beastmen in FFXI acted.

Unlike FFXI the differences in Beastmen Philosophy won't merely be "my God is not the same as your God" and "our motive is religion is yours is revenge" so let's join together against non-beastmen but "its to our political advantage to be your friend since you are my enemy's enemy". How can you say a beastman and Human friendship based on a common enemy would be the same as a Goblin merchant selling eggs in Bastok since they like making money off adventurers?

The things I've seen make me think we'll be seeing some differences that will affect gameplay involving factions within both the player races and the beast tribes.

What graphics have I referred to?

I misread one of your statements and see you didn't mention graphics in it. I was confusing it with someone else's.

Anyway "likening" or saying the beast men of both games will be "similiar" doesn't mean similiar in every way including philosophy and religion. We do have definite proof some beastmen there will look similiar to FFXI so maybe that's what its referring to. I can't find any statement that says the FFXIV beastmen will have "similiar" religion, "similiar" behavior and "similiar" philosophies to a counterpart in FFXI. For you to apply this to only apply to behavior is speculation.

[Ziero]

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First off the attacking each other is an example of what "trouble" it could mean. You are claiming that the "trouble" can only be the beastmean "don't like each other but they still work together." The devs never have said that either so that is speculation on your part.

Attacking each other isn't the only "trouble" that they could be referencing though. In addition to comparing the "Banzoku" to beastmen, they're also compared to humans. There is definitely trouble between the humans in FFXIV, but they don't fight each other.

The common trait of the majority would be hatred of player races but he doesn't say they will all behave like that. Our most recent quote confirms that they all won't behave like that.

And I never said they would all hate humans either, I said most. I even pointed out examples in FFXI of Beastmen working with humans which again mirrors the situation from FFXIV.

That quote also doesn't say the beast men will be united againt players it does say:

But this one does:

It's possible that some of the Banzoku tribes will group together to attack, as some tribes will find it to their advantage to form alliances.

We know, for a fact, that many Banzoku tribes will be working together since the only commonality between most of them is that they view us players as the enemies.

I also see why you aren't understanding what I'm saying now. You are assuming "tribes" is referring to different "races" . You're therefore interpretting the "trouble amongst the Banzoku tribes themselves" in FFXIV as equal to Quadav thinking different than Yagudo in FFXI. However, this statement could also mean one faction of Banzoku race will think differently than another Banzoku of the same race and this might make gameplay drastically different.

Except this too happened in FFXI. The Yagudo and Tengu were the same race with wildly different beliefs, motivations and culture. The devs also refer to the Beastmen in FFXI as being different tribes as well, so either definition you want to use is accurate. Even the player races, all five of them, have been called "tribes".

You mention Ghesso from TOAU but that's only seen in cutscenes. You can't walk into Giddeus and do a quest for a Yagudo there and then have him consider you a friend. We won't have a Quadav fighting along with us against another Quadav. The closest we get to that in FFXI is a Quirin Freelancer who fight beast men of other races.

Gessho also helps you in mission fights. You also fight along side goblins in many events. And there are plenty of beastmen, from all the different races, who you can take quests from and help out. There's also that alliance between the humans of the far east and the Tengu. There are many different examples of beastmen in FFXI working with human races. Which is why if it happens in FFXIV it won't be all that new of a concept.

Factions existing between differing tribes made up of the same race now seems very likely because of something FFXIV said about Miqo'te. Let's compare that to Mithra in FFXI.

And yet we know there won't be any PvP, so those two Miqo'te tribes won't be fighting each other. You can have trouble between two tribes without them specifically attacking each other.

If this is the case for the player races why wouldn't the devs mirror this among beastmen? This could well be what "trouble" is among the Beast Tribes. This seems to be supported by the paragraph this whole debate started over. After mentioning the Garlean Empire, the Beast Tribes and the People of Eorzea it says:

And again, you can have trouble between two tribes without there actually being open, hostile conflicts. There is trouble between all the player tribes in FFXIV, but they don't openly fight each other. There is trouble between the allied races in FFXI, but they don't openly fight each other. There is trouble between the beastmen races in FFXI but they don't openly fight each other. So while it may be a possibility that a race of Banzoku openly fights other Banzoku in FFXIV, I personally and sincerely doubt that will be the case. Individual Banzoku or maybe even smaller groups I could see fighting on our side, but the majority of the Banzoku will more then likely be trying to kill us. I mean, they've already been at it for 10 years, so I doubt there's going to be a lot of em working with us.

So it sounds like some beastmen might side with the Garlean's and some with the people of Eorzea politically or something to do with war. Which is different since, your favorite analogy, Goblin's and Quirin are only merchants and not representives from their governments seeking to "make deals with humans".

Actually it sounds like there's going to be at least one race of Banzoku who are on at least some sort of agreeable terms with humans. Whether it be because their entire race is like that or because their culture is so open and independent, valuing personal freedom above all else, that these specific beastmen can be either friend or foe. Like Goblins and Qirins, who don't really have any kind of central government or homeland, but rather value their personal well being above all else and openly deal with anyone. No point in any texts does it say entire Banzoku governments have to ally with anyone, just that some tribes might be more willing to co-operate with players compared to other races. Which is reflective of how Goblin and Qirin tribes acted in FFXI.

The "people of the empire" and the "people of the beast tribes" are in a "deadlock" which means they are fighting eachother. Where in Vanadiel do we see beastmen opposed to the Shadow Lord?

I've already explained my comparison between the Shadowlord and the Empire (mysterious overwhelming forces which rise up suddenly, lay waste to the land, force player races to unite, disappear suddenly and then slowly loom over the current game's setting). And I've also explained the difference between them (one works with beastmen, the other does not). I fully understand there will be differences, but at the same time I can plainly see the similarities that exist between the two different games and their settings.

The next sentence shows not all beast men will feel this way since though "the two are irreconcilable" though "they do say the enemy of an enemy is a friend" so this suggest some beastmen might side with the Garlean's against the 3rd in the "deadlock" the people of Eorzea. So you are right some will attack the players but you are wrong in all the beastmen uniting against us because the next part of the sentence reads "not all beast tribes view humans as enemies, and there may be those that live peacefully, those that betray, and even those that try to make deals with humans."

Where have I said ALL beastmen will attack players? I specifically pointed out that in FFXI there are beastmen who get along with players and human races, and FFXIV will very likely see something similar. But never, at any point have I used any kind of absolution that *all* of anything will do anything. My comparisons between Beastmen of FFXI and Beast Tribes in FFXIV are because the Beast Tribes in FFVIX will be multiple races and factions of creatures who all have differing beliefs, values and cultures, to the point where not all of them will be our enemies and they won't exactly like each other either, and that their situation is exactly like that of FFXI's Beastmen races who act the same way.

Unlike FFXI the differences in Beastmen Philosophy won't merely be "my God is not the same as your God" and "our motive is religion is yours is revenge" so let's join together against non-beastmen but "its to our political advantage to be your friend since you are my enemy's enemy". How can you say a beastman and Human friendship based on a common enemy would be the same as a Goblin merchant selling eggs in Bastok since they like making money off adventurers?

And how can you say the differences between Beast Tribes in FFXIV won't be fueled by religious zealotry or revenge? How can you claim a Goblin living and working within a human based city, openly trading and dealing with players in a peaceful manner isn't an example of a Beastman not thinking similarly to other Beastmen races?

Anyway "likening" or saying the beast men of both games will be "similiar" doesn't mean similiar in every way including philosophy and religion. We do have definite proof some beastmen there will look similiar to FFXI so maybe that's what its referring to. I can't find any statement that says the FFXIV beastmen will have "similiar" religion, "similiar" behavior and "similiar" philosophies to a counterpart in FFXI. For you to apply this to only apply to behavior is speculation.

And I never said the minute, tiny details like their specific gods or reasons for fighting would be exactly the same. I said the situation, where large tribes of beastmen who all have different cultures, religions, political beliefs and motivations for war try to work with each other in an attempt to wipe out player races is similar between FFXI and FFIXV. You're reading into things I have not said and arguing against them while ignoring the similarities that are there and put there intentionally by SE.

The term Beastmen is actually used to describe a variety of different tribes, which differ in values. One group, for instance, values unrestrained freedom. The various tribes have different ways of thinking, living, and different reasons for fighting, and their numbers differ.

All I did was change one word in this quote. But it's still 100% true. I could go and do that for just about any text with the word "Banzoku" and get the same result. While the specific stories and details between "Beastmen" and "Banzoku" will end up being very different, the way they're set up, the way they're both groups of savage monster-like people who all have various beliefs and views yet most come together to constantly attack the player races, all for their each individual reasons, is the same.

[hexx]

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Its funny how the nay-sayers are doing their damndest to point out to us that FFXIV is only FFXI-Remixed and how the more zealous fans of FFXIV are doing their best to "turn" the haters. Why dont yall just agree to disagree and be done with it? Chances are you nay-sayers are still gonna end up playing the game, and in turn giving SOME money over to SE, so why not just wait till then, and for now keep things as just friendly speculation eh?

[fairyoracle75]

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Its funny how the nay-sayers are doing their damndest to point out to us that FFXIV is only FFXI-Remixed and how the more zealous fans of FFXIV are doing their best to "turn" the haters. Why dont yall just agree to disagree and be done with it? Chances are you nay-sayers are still gonna end up playing the game, and in turn giving SOME money over to SE, so why not just wait till then, and for now keep things as just friendly speculation eh?

I wasn't trying to change his opinion just get hm to admit nothing is concrete just yet as to what's going to be happening in FFXIV. One of my pet peeves is people acting like theory and speculation is fact.

None of us can know for sure how different or similiar this game will be.

Originally Posted by fairyoracle75
First off the attacking each other is an example of what "trouble" it could mean. You are claiming that the "trouble" can only be the beastmean "don't like each other but they still work together." The devs never have said that either so that is speculation on your part.

Attacking each other isn't the only "trouble" that they could be referencing though. In addition to comparing the "Banzoku" to beastmen, they're also compared to humans. There is definitely trouble between the humans in FFXIV, but they don't fight each other.


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The common trait of the majority would be hatred of player races but he doesn't say they will all behave like that. Our most recent quote confirms that they all won't behave like that.

And I never said they would all hate humans either, I said most. I even pointed out examples in FFXI of Beastmen working with humans which again mirrors the situation from FFXIV.


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That quote also doesn't say the beast men will be united againt players it does say:

But this one does:


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It's possible that some of the Banzoku tribes will group together to attack, as some tribes will find it to their advantage to form alliances.

We know, for a fact, that many Banzoku tribes will be working together since the only commonality between most of them is that they view us players as the enemies.


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I also see why you aren't understanding what I'm saying now. You are assuming "tribes" is referring to different "races" . You're therefore interpretting the "trouble amongst the Banzoku tribes themselves" in FFXIV as equal to Quadav thinking different than Yagudo in FFXI. However, this statement could also mean one faction of Banzoku race will think differently than another Banzoku of the same race and this might make gameplay drastically different.

Except this too happened in FFXI. The Yagudo and Tengu were the same race with wildly different beliefs, motivations and culture. The devs also refer to the Beastmen in FFXI as being different tribes as well, so either definition you want to use is accurate. Even the player races, all five of them, have been called "tribes".


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You mention Ghesso from TOAU but that's only seen in cutscenes. You can't walk into Giddeus and do a quest for a Yagudo there and then have him consider you a friend. We won't have a Quadav fighting along with us against another Quadav. The closest we get to that in FFXI is a Quirin Freelancer who fight beast men of other races.

Gessho also helps you in mission fights. You also fight along side goblins in many events. And there are plenty of beastmen, from all the different races, who you can take quests from and help out. There's also that alliance between the humans of the far east and the Tengu. There are many different examples of beastmen in FFXI working with human races. Which is why if it happens in FFXIV it won't be all that new of a concept.


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Factions existing between differing tribes made up of the same race now seems very likely because of something FFXIV said about Miqo'te. Let's compare that to Mithra in FFXI.

And yet we know there won't be any PvP, so those two Miqo'te tribes won't be fighting each other. You can have trouble between two tribes without them specifically attacking each other.


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If this is the case for the player races why wouldn't the devs mirror this among beastmen? This could well be what "trouble" is among the Beast Tribes. This seems to be supported by the paragraph this whole debate started over. After mentioning the Garlean Empire, the Beast Tribes and the People of Eorzea it says:

And again, you can have trouble between two tribes without there actually being open, hostile conflicts. There is trouble between all the player tribes in FFXIV, but they don't openly fight each other. There is trouble between the allied races in FFXI, but they don't openly fight each other. There is trouble between the beastmen races in FFXI but they don't openly fight each other. So while it may be a possibility that a race of Banzoku openly fights other Banzoku in FFXIV, I personally and sincerely doubt that will be the case. Individual Banzoku or maybe even smaller groups I could see fighting on our side, but the majority of the Banzoku will more then likely be trying to kill us. I mean, they've already been at it for 10 years, so I doubt there's going to be a lot of em working with us.


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So it sounds like some beastmen might side with the Garlean's and some with the people of Eorzea politically or something to do with war. Which is different since, your favorite analogy, Goblin's and Quirin are only merchants and not representives from their governments seeking to "make deals with humans".

Actually it sounds like there's going to be at least one race of Banzoku who are on at least some sort of agreeable terms with humans. Whether it be because their entire race is like that or because their culture is so open and independent, valuing personal freedom above all else, that these specific beastmen can be either friend or foe. Like Goblins and Qirins, who don't really have any kind of central government or homeland, but rather value their personal well being above all else and openly deal with anyone. No point in any texts does it say entire Banzoku governments have to ally with anyone, just that some tribes might be more willing to co-operate with players compared to other races. Which is reflective of how Goblin and Qirin tribes acted in FFXI.


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The "people of the empire" and the "people of the beast tribes" are in a "deadlock" which means they are fighting eachother. Where in Vanadiel do we see beastmen opposed to the Shadow Lord?

I've already explained my comparison between the Shadowlord and the Empire (mysterious overwhelming forces which rise up suddenly, lay waste to the land, force player races to unite, disappear suddenly and then slowly loom over the current game's setting). And I've also explained the difference between them (one works with beastmen, the other does not). I fully understand there will be differences, but at the same time I can plainly see the similarities that exist between the two different games and their settings.


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The next sentence shows not all beast men will feel this way since though "the two are irreconcilable" though "they do say the enemy of an enemy is a friend" so this suggest some beastmen might side with the Garlean's against the 3rd in the "deadlock" the people of Eorzea. So you are right some will attack the players but you are wrong in all the beastmen uniting against us because the next part of the sentence reads "not all beast tribes view humans as enemies, and there may be those that live peacefully, those that betray, and even those that try to make deals with humans."

Where have I said ALL beastmen will attack players? I specifically pointed out that in FFXI there are beastmen who get along with players and human races, and FFXIV will very likely see something similar. But never, at any point have I used any kind of absolution that *all* of anything will do anything. My comparisons between Beastmen of FFXI and Beast Tribes in FFXIV are because the Beast Tribes in FFVIX will be multiple races and factions of creatures who all have differing beliefs, values and cultures, to the point where not all of them will be our enemies and they won't exactly like each other either, and that their situation is exactly like that of FFXI's Beastmen races who act the same way.


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Unlike FFXI the differences in Beastmen Philosophy won't merely be "my God is not the same as your God" and "our motive is religion is yours is revenge" so let's join together against non-beastmen but "its to our political advantage to be your friend since you are my enemy's enemy". How can you say a beastman and Human friendship based on a common enemy would be the same as a Goblin merchant selling eggs in Bastok since they like making money off adventurers?

And how can you say the differences between Beast Tribes in FFXIV won't be fueled by religious zealotry or revenge? How can you claim a Goblin living and working within a human based city, openly trading and dealing with players in a peaceful manner isn't an example of a Beastman not thinking similarly to other Beastmen races?


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Anyway "likening" or saying the beast men of both games will be "similiar" doesn't mean similiar in every way including philosophy and religion. We do have definite proof some beastmen there will look similiar to FFXI so maybe that's what its referring to. I can't find any statement that says the FFXIV beastmen will have "similiar" religion, "similiar" behavior and "similiar" philosophies to a counterpart in FFXI. For you to apply this to only apply to behavior is speculation.

And I never said the minute, tiny details like their specific gods or reasons for fighting would be exactly the same. I said the situation, where large tribes of beastmen who all have different cultures, religions, political beliefs and motivations for war try to work with each other in an attempt to wipe out player races is similar between FFXI and FFIXV. You're reading into things I have not said and arguing against them while ignoring the similarities that are there and put there intentionally by SE.


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The term Beastmen is actually used to describe a variety of different tribes, which differ in values. One group, for instance, values unrestrained freedom. The various tribes have different ways of thinking, living, and different reasons for fighting, and their numbers differ.

All I did was change one word in this quote. But it's still 100% true. I could go and do that for just about any text with the word "Banzoku" and get the same result. While the specific stories and details between "Beastmen" and "Banzoku" will end up being very different, the way they're set up, the way they're both groups of savage monster-like people who all have various beliefs and views yet most come together to constantly attack the player races, all for their each individual reasons, is the same.

Thank you for finally saying that you aren't 100% right because of your personal interpretation on the vauge information we now have and that you are also speculating. You have a right to speculate and that can be done without putting another person's opinion down. SE isn't as certain in their language as you are:

It's possible that some of the Banzoku tribes will group together to attack, as some tribes will find it to their advantage to form alliances.

You are also reading things into what I've said. I've never said anywhere there aren't similairities but I also see differences. I never said there weren't friendly Beastmen in FFXI just that I don't think the friendly ones in FFXIV will be exactly the same race with the exact same behaivior. There is a lot of evidence the scope different kind of relationships will be much greater than the way such ideas were applied in FFXI.

You think that the game will be more similiar than different and have reason, though I disagree with your application, to just as all of us who think the game will be more different than similiar also have good reason to feel the way I feel, though you disagress with my application. Since in the above you acknowledge the other interrpretations are a "possibility" I'm satisfied.

[hexx]

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I wasn't trying to change his opinion just get hm to admit nothing is concrete just yet as to what's going to be happening in FFXIV. One of my pet peeves is people acting like theory and speculation is fact.

None of us can know for sure how different or similiar this game will be.

If you aren't you are doing one hell of a job trying to change his opinion. The above post shows it. LOL its one of your pet peeves, yet you are ALSO speculating a great deal. We have maybe a smidgen of information about this game, and both you and Ziero are going on and on about what it means or doesnt mean It's like Christopher Columbus, when trying to convince people that the world was round, not flat, people didn't want to believe him until he actually made the trip and *gasp* didnt fall off the edge of the world!

[Takelli]

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They are acting just like little kids arguing about the story line of the game. Theres barely information about it, yet they are going on and on about it trying to get the other to change their view yet, there is so little information about the story...

[fairyoracle75]

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Hex, I've been admitting I've been specualting on very vague and scant material though. He claimed I was the only one speculating a few posts back.

Takelli I also admitt it childish. So there!

Anyway the above is my last post on this until we get something more posted from FFXIV devs.

[TheGrandMom]

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Thank fucking god! Jeez...even I didn't bother arguing about this crap since it does absolutely no good. No ones going to change my mind. The only way it will be changed is by actually playing the damn game.

[Takelli]

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Thank fucking god! Jeez...even I didn't bother arguing about this crap since it does absolutely no good. No ones going to change my mind. The only way it will be changed is by actually playing the damn game.

O.o; I found it quite interesting to read the arguments lol.